Are you looking to keep the same quality? If so, then I can recommend one of 2 programs for you.. 1/. If you have a DVD-A player, then minnetonka audio's discWelder bronze @ $99 is a good option, or Steel at $500, or even WaveLab 5 at around the same sort of price. All these will write DVD-Audio for you, which allows anything from 16/44.1 to 24/192 in stereo audio, all uncompressed. If you only have a DVD-V player, then DVD+Audio may well do the job, as it will create a music DVD using DVD-V access. I have not used this myself, but those who have say it is a very good little app. There may be resampling involved doing this, as DVD-V uses 48KHz samplerates. If you have the player, I seriously recommend DVD-A as it is much much better & more flexible than DVD-V, plus you get the option to go up to much higher bit depths & sample rates. LOL
hi there ! i'm not sure if i should have started a new thread or not, but this one seems to be about what i'm looking for.(by the way, this forum is excellant) can i put my wave cd's onto dvd-r at 24/192 stereo using minnetonka discwelder chrome ? i've seen some posts on dvd-audio and i noticed wilkes mentioned this programme. i'm very green on this subject and i don't fully understand the pdf manual on discwelder chrome (apart from the scary price). from what i can understand, it will let me encode 16/48khz to 24/192 and let me play them on a normal standalone dvd-video player ? if this is correct, then i'll be grouping a few buddies together to buy this programme. does any one have some newbie info please regards jay4
Chrome will indeed let you do 24/192 in stereo, but not to a DVD-V player. You need a DVD-A player. You can use any file format from 16/44.1 to 24/192 in stereo. Also 16/48 is an option. Chrome 2 has an AutoMirror option, which will create a DVD-V compatible folder - but this will be in Dolby Digital & not PCM.
thank you for the quick response wilkes. as i understand it, if i created the DVD-V compatible folder i could encode the wave files to dolby digital at a different sample rate ? is that sample rate 16/48 as is a wave file ? or can it be encoded higher? regards jay4
If it is the DVD-V compatible folder you wish to create, then the cheapest option is going to be DVD+Audio creator. This will let you keep highest quality, and will write a DVD-V compatible disc. DVD-V PCM is a bit of a minefield though - not all players will accept 24 bit audio, and a lot also downsample 96KHz audio to 48KHz. And added to that some players will truncate 24 bit to 16 bit. For maximum compatibility, you are better off with 16/48 PCM. Now, if you need to convert this to Dolby Digital, you will get up to 60 albums on a single DVD-R. Dolby Digital will work at up to 24bit, and 48KHz. It will not generally accept 96KHz audio, but if you are coming from CD then there really is not much point padding to 96KHz as you will be increasing the filesize & generally gaining nothing back. There are exceptions to this rule, but they require some serious equipment to make worthwhile. As for apps to do the job - Try Adobe EncoreDVD. There is a tryout version on the Adobe website. It is around £400 but very very good. If you need cheaper, then TMPGEnc Do an AC3 encoder & DVDV authoring application that is very good. Not as comprehensive as Encore, but a lot cheaper. www.pegasys-inc.com Hope this helps.
thanks again for the help wilkes. i understand where your coming from now. i do have Adobe Audition and it is great software. i've read all about DVD+Audio Creator and it appears to be a gem for 24/96 conversion. after learning a little more about the DVD-A format, i'm now hunting around for a reasonably priced DVD-Audio player and then i'm going to seriously consider the Minnetonka discWelder Chrome for the ultimate audio experience. every thing is coming down in price now, so i should pick up a good brand like Pioneer etc for a fair price compared to a couple of years ago. thanks again for your help wilkes regards jay4
Try the Pioneer DV565A, or the 563 as it is in the USA. This is a universal player - does DVD-A (all 9 groups), DVD-V, CD, MP3, everything you can throw at it. Has 6 analogue outs for SACD/DVD-A MC stuff too. EncoreDVD is the perfect app for DVD-V, as you can always invoke the "edit in original" function for Audio created in Audition. It will open Audition up for you to edit the files, then everything just sorts itself out again in Encore. Plus, In Encore 1.5 you have playlists which makes music DVD much simpler to create. One thing about Chrome. It is indeed the ultimate, I use it myself. To get the best from it, you will also need SurCode MLP which is going to double the price. Otherwise, you will be just as well off using WaveLab 5 unless you need to do hybrid DVD-A, which needs a non abstraction layer DVD-V tool. Feel free to ask away - I author DVD-A in MC for a living.
hello wilkes ! thanks again for the help. if i get the Pioneer DVD-Audio player i wont bother at all with the DVD-V concept, apart from all the good reports about DVD+Audio Creator. the Surcode MLP from what i can make of it does a "lossless" compression of the DVD-Audio. if i couldn't afford it and just got the discWelder Chrome it would mean i could get about 45 minutes of true 24/192 DVD-A on one 4.7gig DVD-R ? (on a stereo setup) on the speaker setup, from what i can understand using this software, i could achieve the 24/192 for stereo or alternatively 24/96 per channel on a 5.1 surround sound ? if i'm correct(which i doubt) which setup would produce the best listening experience in your professional opinion wilkes ! thanking you jay4
Without MLP you will not get 24/96 surround in 5.1 as you massively exceed the available bitrate of 9.6MB/sec allowed in DVD-Audio. MLP encoding will reduce the bitrate to an acceptable one without compromising audio quality. However. IMHO, you are just as well off at 24/48 and possibly even 24/44.1, as in my opinion from listening tests, the real increase in quality comes from the wider wordlength rather than the samplerate. Whilst I accept that there just may be a quality increase at 96KHz, there is almost certainly none to be gained at 192KHz. So, Chrome will do the job perfectly, but without the MLP encoder, and the necessity to create true hybrids, and write to DLT tape, is almost certainly overkill too. You can do just as good a job using WaveLab 5 at 24/48 in Surround, plus WaveLab will also allow the higher resolution Stereo tracks too. Hope this helps out, as to be really blunt, unless you need DLT, Hybrids & have the MLP encoder, Chrome is a waste of money.
hello wilkes ! thanks again for all the help and info. i'm going to check out the Wavelab 5 and weigh up the pro's and cons (and the pocket) between these great apps and maybe ask for more advice shortly lol. regards jay4
