Just a note VM has cut me off they were by my flat working on the big box doing lines i think. i have not had virmin bb for 2 yrs. but my line was live and working for my 780. i live in flats so that's why my line was live i think. one main line coming to a little brown box with 3 cable to other flats. So a man came over to my little brown box and took a 3 way splitter out and left it on the floor. so when they left i put the splitter back.. to see if my box came back to LIFE. but sadly no. they must have disconnected the main cable from the BIG Gray box on the road. so it look like i will have to go satellite ? ( ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ). Can i thank you all for the help on my KYPTVIEW 780 in the past. NOW to look at the satelite FORUMS. THANKS AGAIN.