clonedvd2 not backing up dvd menus properly

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  1. chrisadna

    chrisadna Member

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    can anyone tell me why when i use clonedvd2 to backup my dvds it is removing the cursor from the menus so that when i play the burnt dvd in a dvd player you cannot highlight a menu button and select it. the same menu buttons do not highlight when i play the iso on my pc mounted with clone cd virtual drive. is there anyway i can reauthor or burn these iso's so that the menus function properly or do i need to get my originals back from my brother?
    thanks for the help as it is driving me crazy!
     
  2. onya

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    I had a similar problem a while back with the same software. It was only apparent on certain standalone players though, and a rarity on the pc . I shamefully (and hang my head accordingly) used TDK's for my backups. Seeing the error of my ways I switched to Verbatims and burned at no more than 4X speed. This has solved that problem for me. I must admit however that the software that I used has developed a great deal since then.
    There is a lot to be said for the quality of the media used. It directly transcribes to the final output. Buy "poop" and ye shall get "poop" in return.

    LOL.
     
  3. chrisadna

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    i'm sorry perhaps i didnt make myself clear enough on my initial thread, but my dvd writer and blank dvd-rs (which happen to be ritek) are not the problem as when i play the iso which is the original rip using clone cd virtual drive (i mount the iso and it plays it as if it were a real disc in a real drive) the problem is there also. it must have something to do with how clonedvd2 treats the menus during the rip as when i open this iso with shrink dvd which is handy as you have the little screen to display what you have actually selected, all the menus except the very first one on the dvd where you select the initial language has been placed in the 'extras' section of the dvd and play as if they were normal video files and not menu files.
    the menus are all there on the iso, but there is no cursor next to them and there should be as this is how you select each title on the dvd. the same problem occurred 2 weeks ago when backing up my sons dreamworks dvd and clonedvd2 left the initial menu untouched and it functioned like it should but then all the menus for the games on the disc where messed up and burnt as if they were dvd movie files. is it because of the size of the menus files as on both occassions the menus have been quite large in length of play?
    and if so what if anything can i do about this? if i rip the dvd to my hard drive using anydvd instead of clonedvd2 and then make an iso from the movie files created by anydvd, everything is fine, but that is no good should i want to remove any elements of the dvd as you cannot do that with dvd shrink.
    any ideas? can i do anything with the messed up isos? i have tried fixvts and this did not work, it still left the menus without the cursors.
     
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    Do you select in clone keep the menus?Have to put a tick in the box on the first screen.
     
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    Also if you rip the dvd as an iso image don't think the menus will work when you burn or mount the image has to be a video_ts file folder.
     
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    hello killalot. thanks for joining the thread and offering your help. the answer to your first question is yes i do tick the box to preserve menus and in the case of the 2 discs that have not backed up properly this time, i actually chose to do a full disc backup as i did on the first 4 discs to the series i have lent to my brother (he will have them for ages and i still have not seen it all). the series is season 4 of lost and the first 4 discs backed up completely fine with clonedvd2, but when i came to back up discs 5 and 6 which are the bonus discs i encountered the problem with the menus.i dont know what went wrong as i followed the same proceedure for all 6 discs unless it is some structural protection on the last 2 bonus discs?
    also would you be able to explain to me why the menus are corrupted if i create an iso of the original (compressed of course with clonedvd2) as opposed to dvd files? this would explain why if i rip it with anydvd to the hard drive first and then compress with dvd shrink i dont have the problem ,but as i am sure you know, you cannot opt to remove particular parts of the dvd should you want to in order to keep compression to a minimum, thats why i like to use clonedvd2 as you can take unnecassary audio and video out before you make the backup. also, is there nothing i can do now to repair the menu problem on the isos i hold on the pc of these 2 discs?
    cheers, you are a star for spending your time trying to help others-hope something nice happens to you today!
     
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    I don't deal a lot with iso images these days or burn disks just play them straight of the hardrive in a video_ts file.The iso images you've got you maybe be able to extract them and see if the the menus still work when you convert it to a video_ts file have a read of this might help.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_image_software
     
  8. lordsmurf

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    Why not use DVD Shrink instead of CloneDVD?

    If you're not shrinking from DVD9>DVD5, then use DVD Decrypter (add AnyDVD, if needed) to rip the ISO, then burn to Verbatim DVD+R DL in either Decrypter or ImgBurn.

    CloneDVD may be the problem.
     
  9. chrisadna

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    yes lordsmirf i agree with what you are suggesting entirely, however if you need to remove certain parts of the dvd like particular extras to leave more space for the film when compressing a dvd9 to a dvd5 you cannot use dvd shrink as this software will only let you compress and not entirley remove unwanted data which is why i use clonedvd2 as you can choose to remove audio streams as well as subtitles and entire sections of the dvd such as adverts and trailers. however i am going to have a go at ripping the original to dvd files instead of an iso and see if that works, fingers crossed!
    i would still like to know why clonedvd2 screws up the menus though when it is the latest software and dvd shrink which is dead old handles the menus fine-just cant remove bits of the dvd with it.
     
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    Use VOB Blanker after rip, before shrink.
     
  11. killalot

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    Have a read of this.Extract the image back to a video_ts folder and then open the folder with power DVD or what ever program you've got that can play video_ts files and see if the menus work.With clone or any other encoder you have to watch which files you remove because some files rely on others to play correctly all depends on the source DVD.

    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/743483
     
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    hi thanks for the info. i have to be honest, i never really understood what the difference was between iso and dvd files as i always worked with isos.
    this is what i have now done to make a successful backup with working menus...
    i have done a full backup of the disc with dvd shrink which compressed it to 82% and made an iso file.
    i mounted this iso file to my virtual drive and it works great, the cursor is back in the menus and i can now select each title, however i have yet to burn this iso to disc so will let you know how that goes.
    i did try what killalot suggested and used clonedvd2 to make dvd files instead of a iso but i then opened these files and found the menus not working again, so the problem was definitely with either clonedvd2 or perhaps anydvd which has to work in the background for clonedvd2 to operate.
    funnily enough, dvd shrink was able to crack the protection on the discs which is strange as they are relatively new and popular.
    i wonder what it is that clonedvd2 removes to stop the menus functioning properly as when i created both the iso and dvd files from the original i did a full backup and did not remove anything myself but left everything untouched, it just had to compress it all?
     

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