Is there a fast and simple way to convert .BIN (MPEG2) files to DVD compliant format files?

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  1. PapaPrem

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    Is there a fast and simple way to convert .BIN (MPEG2) files to DVD compliant format files? I feel that the process I have been using below is too time consuming and slow. Is there a single program that does everything? Also is there a quicker method to do this? I usually use this method:

    1)Extract MPEG-2 file from BIN Image with Daemon Tools.
    2)Encode the extracted MPEG file with MainConcept MPEG encoder (Choosing NTSC format and converting the audio rate to 48000.)
    3)Cut and Merge all the .BIN files with TMPGEnc.
    4) ReAuthor with TMPGEnc DVD Author (Make chapters and menus)
    5) Burn with either Nero Burning Rom or TMPGEnc.

     
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    Sure, you can do it.
    But, I wouldn't. Result can be really ugly:
    1- Your SVCD is 480x480, DVD is 720x480. This means, pixels will be cut.
    2- If the SVCD is widesreen (I mean black bars added) than real resolution is of the picture is 480x~340. If you convert it to 720x480 it can be really ugly.

    Better solution is to merge the 2 mpeg files and create a 1600 Mb SVCD out of them. Than burn it on DVD media. Most players that can play SVCD can play SVCD on DVD media.
     
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    Hi. Thanks for the reply. Just a few things. My SVCD is 768 x 576. Also, it does have the black bars added (widescreen). Furthermore, majority of the North American stand alone DVD players do not play SVCD's. That is why I want DVD-compliant format files.
    I have used the method that I described below in my post. It works. However, it takes too long. What I want is a faster way to do this. Whether it be via a program or another quicker process. Furthermore, one of the main reasons you need to convert the file to DVD-compliant format is because the audio on SVCD's are usually not 48000khz, not to mention the picture format is not formatted for DVD players (i.e.720x480). Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    Since the resolution is non-standard (are you sure it isn't 720x576?) the only way you can do it is to re-encode. You could use CCE Basic, which is faster than MainConcept, but you'll also need another program like AviSynth to frameserve to it (CCE doesn't read MPEGs) and change the resolution. If I'm right about the resolution it's PAL, and you also need to change the framerate (which AviSynth can also do) and depending on what method you use, maybe stretch the audio to match the new framerate. You'll also need DVD2AVI to create a file that AviSynth can read. The audio sample rate can be changed when you author if you use DVD-Lab.

    It's faster once you have everything setup and have some idea what you're doing, but there's more steps and it's still a little more work. It would also require you to either buy CCE Basic ($58) or download the trial version and put up with a watermark on the video. If you want to go that route there are at least a couple of people here (including me) that can help, and Minion has probably forgotten more about it than I've learned. If you're only doing it for one movie though, you'll probably spend more time learning how to do it than you'll save encoding.
     
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    I guess in that case, the method I listed would be alright. However the problem I am having is that after I re-encode the video with Main Concept, the audio sync (lip sync) is out of sync with the video. Could this be because I am converting to a different format (NTSC which has 29.000FPS), from the original PAL format (25.000FPS)? What can I do to correct this?
    I would need NTSC since Im in the U.S.
     
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    I do the following

    Bin to mpeg using VCD gear, re-encode the mpeg using mainconcept so it is PAL 720 x 576 (cant remember exact dimentions) then author with TMPGEnc DVD Author and burn with nero

    done on DVD-RW 1st time so i dont get coasters
     
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    After my final step of authoring the files with DVD-Lab, I played the outputted authored files (in the Video_TS folder). The Video looks excellent. However, the audio is out of sync (lip sync) with the video. What should I do? By the way, the SVCD is in PAL format with a 480 X 576 frame size and 25.000FPS. The re-encoded audio format is 48khz stereo, 224kbps layer II. The original audio format before I re-encoded it was 44khz stereo, 224kbps layer II. Lastly, I live in the U.S., and NTSC is the standard North American format. However, would I be able to play a DVD with a PAL format SVCD on it? Specifically in this case, a PAL format 480 X 576 frame size/ 25.000FPS ?
     
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    No, you were right to re-encode to NTSC. What I'd recommend for the audio is to download a trial version of an audio editor called Goldwave (from goldwave.com I think). You should be able to change the length of the audio to match the converted video. I'm not personally familiar with this program, but I've seen it recommended for this operation. Then go ahead and author in DVD-Lab and make sure to let it convert to 48kHz when it asks.

    Something else to consider for the video is just changing the resolution to NTSC SVCD specs (480x480) and authoring that way. Some players will play this fine and others won't, but the quality should be better this way. If your player doesn't support this it will give you black borders on the video to pad it to the correct resolution. If you don't want to risk a coaster don't do this.
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    The length of the audio is one second less than the length of the video. I dunno how this happened. Ill try giving Goldwave a shot. Neverthelss, do you know if I would be able to play a PAL formatted DVD here in the U.S.? Specifically in this case, a PAL format SVCD ? Im aware NTSC is the standard North American format.
     
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    There are very few American TVs that can handle a PAL signal. More seem to be appearing lately, but they're still the exception. Many DVD players can output either PAL or NTSC, but if your TV can't display it that doesn't do you much good. If you can find a player that actually converts the signal to NTSC that would probably do the trick, but these are also pretty rare (but probably not as rare as the TVs). From what I understand, the Pioneer 563a will convert for you, but if you don't want to spend around $150 that doesn't help either.
     
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    I see. I guess I'm going to have to convert to NTSC. I loaded Goldstar but I am unable to figure out how I could expand the audio by one second. It seems like the audio stops one second before the person in the movie finishes talking. So I assume I would have to add 1 second in the beginning of the movie (video file). Any other suggestions?
     
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    I converted the PAL format SVCD into a NTSC SVCD.
    When I went to author the new NTSC compliant file, I get a message that says:

    The Video framerate 29.97 fps cannot be used with the resolution 480X480

    Any suggestions?
     
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    Actually it's probably more like it needs to be stretched because the timing of the dialogue doesn't match the timing of the video. It will actually cause a slight change in pitch, although it shouldn't be noticable without listening to the original at the same time. This is a common method used for turning NTSC film based video to PAL. They just speed it up to 25fps and speed up the audio slightly to keep it in sync. Since I'm not sure exactly what method MainConcept uses to convert to NTSC, it's hard for me to say for sure exactly what needs done to the audio, but if the movie is slightly longer I'd say it needs slowed down, and if it's slightly shorter it needs sped up.
     
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    Wow. This is becoming way more difficult then I could have ever imagined. I didn't think it would be this difficult to convert a (PAL) SVCD into a (NTSC) DVD compliant file(s).
     
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    It's definitely more complicated than it should be. You can thank all the consumer electronics companies who are too cheap to give Americans the same degree of compatibility that PAL users get. Granted, there's a lot more NTSC material that's been exported to PAL-land than the other way around, but there is certainly a good sized, and growing, market for it. Sadly it seems to have taken the Chinese and Korean manufacturers putting some competition back into the market for us to start seeing it.
     

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