Quick Question about recording DVD's...

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  1. ECMoney

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    Hey Guys,
    I have a Sony DRU-510 burner and I have RecordNow, Nero 5.5, and all the other tools (DVD Decrypter, etc). I know that I can't copy an original DVD directly in RecordNow or Nero but my question is this. I have a DVD recorder also, I record from TV to DVD (dvd-r). Can I then just put my dvd-r into by DVD-rom and put a blank dvd-r in my Sony DRU-510 and record directly (straight) with Nero or RecordNow? I tried the other day and got an error but before I waste more blank DVD's I want to double check that this is how to do it. I am pretty sure I dont have to use DVD Decrypter to record my own DVD-r's that I record from my DVD recorder. Also, I should be able to record a copied DVD (a movie) straight with RecordNow or Nero and don't have to create an image, right?
     
  2. Jerry746

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    Hi ECMoney, Everything you stated should be right. The only problem when doing a record on the fly (DVDrom direct to burner) is that you have to have a very fast and powerful system with lots of ram. Then it should work. Yes you can copy a backup movie with any of the disc copy programs. There is just less chance of a burn problem if you copy the movie or tv show to the HD first and then burn back to the blank from there. You only need to decrypt original dvd movies.
    Jerry
     
  3. ECMoney

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    Hey Jerry,
    Thanks for the help. Maybe that is why I am getting errors when trying to record straight (with DVD-rom). I have a Pentium IV with 512mb ram, not bad but not the best either. So if I were to copy a DVD-r to another blank DVD-r should I extract the image using RecordNow then simply burn the image from my HD back to the blank DVD-r?
     
  4. ECMoney

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    Basically I am asking what is the best way to record an already burnt DVD-r to another blank DVD-r? I have RecordNow and Nero 5.5 and am unsure what to do exactly as I have never burnt from one DVD to another, only from .iso images from my HD to a blank DVD-r (XBOX games). Do I have to extract an .iso image of the burnt dvd-r or is there another image I have to create?
     
  5. Jerry746

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    Use either Nero or Recordnow. Just pick the copy complete disc section. I just use the burner drive, let it copy to the HD, insert blank when it asks for it and your done.
    I like Nero better but its a matter of choice. either will do the job.
    jerry
     
  6. ECMoney

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    I have already made three coasters and before I make any more mistakes I want to make sure I am doing everything right and fix this problem. So here is my story: I am recording on my DVD recorder from TV in DVD-r format. I finalize the dvd-r in my dvd recorder and then bring the DVD to my computer as I want to make a copy of a program that I recorded. I have a Sony DRU-510a burner and Ritek DVD-r media (the RiData red package). My burner came with the Veritas RecordNow DX software which I use, I also have Nero but I have not installed it yet. So I open up RecordNow DX and select copy. I check off the "make a temporary image on the HD first" option and I selected the speed at 2x. I am using my Sony DRU-510a as the reader and as the recorder. I can get through the reading part and then when it asks me to insert a blank after 30 minutes (roughly) I put in my blank ritek dvd-r and after about 1 minute it spits it out with an error. I have tried at 4x and 2x speed and have made 3 coasters in total (two times at 2x speed).
    What am I doing wrong? Is it the media, is it the burner, is it the software? I have no problem burning XBOX games (images) from my HD to my burner on these ritek dvd-r's? I also have the DVD X COPY Platinum software but have not installed it yet, should I be using that instead of Record Now? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
     
  7. Jerry746

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    Hi ECMoney, I just looked at your last post. I can't see anything you are doing wrong. It should work. Why not install Nero and try the same process. Do you by chance have a RW disc that you can use in the burner. If so, use it as the test disc for the burnback. It will keep you from making any more coasters until you find the problem. For all purposes the last try should have worked. Using Nero might tell us if its the burner drive or Recordnow software. If Nero works, the problem is probably the software. If you get the same error, it might be the burner itself or the way it is installed. If you were having problems with a store bought dvd movie backup, then X copy moght help, but this is a problem with a simple straight copy of a non encrypted dvd you made. Try Nero.

    Jerry
     
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  8. ECMoney

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    Hey Jerry746, I just made a copy with DVD X Copy platinum but it took me about 1 hour and 25 minutes? I dont understand why it took me that long, it never prompted me to change any speed so I am not sure if it recorded on 1x speed automatically? I know my Ritek dvd-r's are more than 1x as I have copied XBOX games at 2x and 4x with RecordNow without a problem. Strange? Anyways I will try both Nero and RecordNow with the dvd-rw as I do have an extra dvd-rw that I can test with. I know that it is not the burner itself but you stated that it could be the way it was installed? I have the burner setup to a slave and my dvd-rom as my master. I should remove my dvd-rom as I dont even use it as I only read and record with my burner, do you think that could be the problem? It's worth a try!
     
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    Why don't you try using DVD Decrypter. ISO Read, ISO Write and see what happens.
     
  10. ECMoney

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    I just updated my RecordNow from 4.60 to 4.67 and I was able to record my DVD, that might have fixed the problem but it is still slow. Took me 1 hour and 8 minutes to copy by DVD-r, is that normal? Unless my media is not 4x, which it stated it was when I purchased it then it must be copying at 2x speed.
    Should I try copying direct with my DVD-rom to by DVD-burner on 2x or even 4x as that will be much quicker. I have Pentium 4 2.40ghz with 512mb ram running windows 2000. Is that good enough to record straight?
     
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    Hi,

    I just wanted to give you my input. I had the same problem with speed when I began backing up my DVDs. Maybe you have the same problem.

    I used to read and copy the image to the HD and then proceeded to write the image to my new DVD. The problem was that the reading process would take me 1 hour and the writing process would take close to another hour. I mean it was ridiculous.

    Well, I found that Windows XP (and I bet the same for Windows 2000) was not able to configure my Intel chipset correctly such that the transfer mode for my HD, CD-ROM, and DVD-RW was set to PIO (3.3 MBps) mode. If you have this problem then you need to go to Intel's website and run Intel's Application Accelerator which should set your drives to work with the maximum data transfer mode that they allow.

    Once I did that my CD-ROM and DVD-RW are running in DMA Mode 2 (16.6 MBps) and my HDs are running in DMA Mode 4 and 5 (33.3 MBps and 66.6 MBps). Now I can backup a DVD in less than 30 minutes or so.

    The easiest way to check which mode you are running is start-control panel-system-hardware-device manager-IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers-double click on Primary IDE Channel-Advance Settings and they should be set to DMA. If they are not then I bet this is what is causing the DVD back up process to be so slow. Also check the Secondary IDE channel to see what mode it is running. Your Primary channel are the hard drives and the Secondary channel are the DVD or CD ROMs.

    Hope this helps.
     
  12. ECMoney

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    Movie_777, you are brilliant. I just checked and my Primary IDE Channel was already set to DMA but when I checked my Secondary IDe channel it was set to PIO only. I have switched everything to DMA and will test to see if that made a difference but if it did then you hit it right on the head! I will keep you posted.
     
  13. ECMoney

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    After downloading and installing Intel's Application Accelerator and setting my primary & secondary IDE channel's to DMA it took me roughly 40-45 minutes to record a DVD using my DVD burner to read and then write. That is alot better, before it was taking me about 1 hour and 20 minutes. Thanks guys, you are the best!
     

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