Slow burn speeds on 16x Drive ???

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  1. paul25_uk

    paul25_uk Member

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    hi, quite a newb so apoligies in advance ;O)

    Recently got a new Sony 16x Drive, just bought some 16x RiDisk media that it say's is supported on this drive at 16x but when i have tried to burn an iso at 16x it's taking almost 40 mins. using Clone DVD. I also have nero/Alcohol but haven't tried these yet.



    Can anyone point me in the right direction as to what i am doing wrong?

    FYI the drive is SONY DW-Q28A Firmware KYS3, using RIDISK 16x DVD-R Media. Thanks
     
  2. 9mmruger1

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    Hi, When burning the computer is using almost all of the cpu to do the job. If you have other things running in the background you will definately be slower. Turn off the internet connection, spyware blocker, popup blocker, virus protection, etc and see if that helps. Do not multi task while burning or your results will suffer.

    More RAM helps as well. I burn occassionally with CloneDVD2 and it never takes 45 minutes. More like 30. I only burn at 4x as when I burned at a higher speed my burns were unacceptable. Slow your burn down to 4x or less if you want quality burns.
     
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    Thanks for the info. To be honest the PC has 1gb of memory, P4 etc and it uses most of the CPU.

    4x seems to work fine, just seems like no point paying extra for new writer/media if it's highly unlikely that any 8x/16x burn is gonna be anygood anyway!

    Thanks
     
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    Check and make sure your drive is still in DMA mode, here is a guide. Hope you don't want to burn at 16x, this is a little fast and you will probably get errors or playback problems at this speed, 8x is better. Recommended is half the disk speed.

    http://home.comcast.net/~bbmayo/checking DMA.pdf
     
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    or in MY case arniebear, 4x on 4x TYs, 8x on 8x TYs/Verbs, and 8x on 16x Verbs~ LOL

    but, yes, i STILL to this day tell everyone to keep their burns @4x to risk the chance of errors, etc..etc.. hehehe

    sorry, just in a good mood today~ but, paul25...your system seems to be up to par and WILL handle the cpu strain, however, i don't think freeing up memory is an issue if you have 1gb~ i WILL have to agree with arniebear in that the reason for the slowdown is due to the DMA being reverted back to PIO mode~ and i 2nd the suggestion that you SHOULD NOT BURN ANY type of media @ 16x~ when it comes to backups, it's not about speed of the burn (ie. time it takes from beginning to end of burn process) but rather, the QUALITY of the backup video~

    good luck

    docTY~
     
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    @kivory666

    Doc I do agree I am still a slowa$$ when it comes to burn speed 4x is fine by me I don't like errors and with this speed I feel safe, okay I so sometimes I fall off the wagon and burn at 6x on my Plexie, but I like to keep it down.
     
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    @ arniebear

    "diff. strokes for diff. folks" as they say, i will never argue with what works BEST for an individual's own setup/configuration, i just like to "burn on the wild side" for my own system~ all in good fun :)

    keep it slow, keeps it safe, can't argue THAT fact :p

    docTY~
     
  8. ireland

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    A little help on dma,

    Enable DMA

    It can be very important to be sure that you Enable DMA and it is properly enabled. The sad fact is that it is not as straight forward as you might think. You can simply change the DMA in the Device manager, check here first regardless, but there is a DMA setting in the registry too. This can be very important to enable DMA on your machine. Be sure to check the registry.

    There are several articles on this subject in Microsoft Knowledge base on this subject. Be sure check these as well for your situation to help you decide how best to enable DMA:

    INFO: Call Enable DMA Translation Only After DMA is Complete
    When you disable DMA translation prior to programming the DMA controller, do not reenable DMA translation until the DMA transfers are complete for that channel. Below is documentation from "PW0519: Virtual DMA Services (VDS)" on DMA translation...
    http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;en-us;163355

    How to Enable Direct Memory Access (DMA)
    This article describes how to enable Direct Memory Access (DMA) on your Windows 98-based, Windows 95-based or Windows Millennium Edition-based computer. DMA (also referred to as bus mastering) is a technique that some components and devices use to...
    http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;en-us;258757

    How to Enable IDE DMA Bus-Mastering Using SP2 Atapi.sys
    A DMA Bus-Mastering-capable version of the Atapi.sys device driver is available in Service Pack 2 or later for Microsoft Windows NT 4.0. By default, Atapi.sys will perform disk I/O through the Programmed Input/Output (PIO), which is the transfer...
    http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;en-us;158873

    DMA Mode for ATA/ATAPI Devices in Windows XP
    Provides information about DMA Mode for ATA/ATAPI Devices in Microsoft Windows XP
    http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devic...ge/IDE-DMA.mspx

    MechWarrior 4: Improve Performance with DMA
    If you play the game on a Microsoft Windows 98 or Microsoft Window Millennium Edition-based computer and you experience poor performance and instability, make sure direct memory access (DMA) is enabled. When you enable DMA on your computer, you...
    http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;en-us;287143

    But first some background from Microsoft of what they call the DMA:
    DMA is located in the Hardware Resources category in System Information. It displays information about your system's direct memory access (DMA). DMA transfers data between system memory and hardware devices without passing it through the CPU. The Resource column in the details pane displays the DMA channel that is being used by the device, which is listed in the Device column. The Status column displays the status of the device.

    If the Status column indicates an error, such as Error, Degraded, Unknown, Pred Fail, Starting, Stopping, or Service, you can try the following troubleshooting solutions:

    Use Device Manager to locate and troubleshoot the problem. For more information about Device Manager, see Device Manager.
    Contact the device manufacturer to obtain an updated device driver.
    Reconfigure the settings in the system BIOS.or EFI
    For more information about Hardware Resources, see Hardware Resources.


    go here for the rest of the info
    http://www.blackmaxpc.com/Guides/Enable_DMA.htm


    Enabling Direct Memory Access or "DMA" for faster DVD copying
    Checking and setting the DMA settings is an important part of configuring PC for recording DVDs.

    http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/dvdguide005.html

    From Microsoft:
    "Basically, DMA or Direct Memory Access is a system that allows devices in your computer to transfer data directly to and from RAM without having to use the CPU as an intermediary. This boosts the performance of your PC significantly as not only the device from which the data is being read responds quickly, but also leaves the most important component, the CPU, free for other critical operations. However, the UDMA or the Ultra direct memory access is further advancement over the DMA technology that uses even higher data transfer rate thereby boosting the overall performance of the PC.

    For repeated DMA errors. Windows XP will turn off DMA mode for a device after encountering certain errors during data transfer operations. If more that six DMA transfer timeouts occur, Windows will turn off DMA and use only PIO mode on that device.

    In this case, the user cannot turn on DMA for this device. The only option for the user who wants to enable DMA mode is to uninstall and reinstall the device.

    Windows XP downgrades the Ultra DMA transfer mode after receiving more than six CRC errors. Whenever possible, the operating system will step down one UDMA mode at a time (from UDMA mode 4 to UDMA mode 3, and so on).

    If the mini-IDE driver for the device does not support stepping down transfer modes, or if the device is running UDMA mode 0, Windows XP will step down to PIO mode after encountering six or more CRC errors. In this case, a system reboot should restore the original DMA mode settings.

    All CRC and timeout errors are logged in the system event log. These types of errors could be caused by improper mounting or improper cabling (for example, 40-pin instead of 80-pin cable). Or such errors could indicate imminent hardware failure, for example, in a hard drive or chipset.
    Let's take a look at enabling DMA in a computer using Windows XP.

    To get started, you need to first open the Device Manager.
    There is more than one way to do this, I will describe two.

    * Method 1:
    1. Click Start and Open Control Panel.
    2. Click on "Performance and Maintenance".
    3. Click on "See basic information about your computer".
    4. This will open the System Properties menu.
    * Method 2:
    1. Click Start and then click on My Computer.
    2. On the right, find the Systems Tasks menu and click on "View System information".
    3. This will open the System Properties menu.

    GO HERE TO SEE PIXS OF SETTINGS IN XP
    http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/dvdguide005.html



    You can try tweaking the registry settings to reset the error count. Be very careful here.
    Backup your registry before proceeding.

    Run REGEDIT.
    Go to the following key:
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}

    It has subkeys like 0000, 0001, 0002, etc. Normally 0001 is the primary IDE channel, 0002 the secondary, but other numbers can occur under certain circumstances. You have to go through these subkeys and check the DriverDesc value until you find the proper IDE channel.

    Delete MasterIdDataChecksum or SlaveIdDataChecksum, depending on whether the device in question is attached as master or slave, but it can't actually hurt to delete both. Reboot. The drive DMA capabilities will be redetected.

    Open Device Manager again and check whether the device is now actually using DMA mode. If so, congratulations, you've made it (at least until the next time Windows disables DMA)

     
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    Thanks for the info Ireland!
     
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    @ireland

    Not to transgress to far, but how does one get rid of that nasty msnmgr out of the task tray for good?

    I have deselected it from the startup but it keeps coming back every time I reboot and I want it gone. I don't use it at all and it just eats up resources.

    Thanks for the direction.
     
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    Are you talking about the messenger program, which is a pain. To get rid of that for good just go to your control panel, add and remove programs, and then remove Windows Copnents or Xp Setup and when it comes up scoll down and you will see the Messenger program just uncheck the box and it will remove it.
     
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    9mmruger1 Regular member

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    Thank you - tonight it's gone! (kneeling I whisper a prayer) :)
     
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    I know it is just another annoying Micro$oft program, it is the first thing I get rid of when I do a reformat, good luck :)
     
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    No more messenger! Thanks.
     
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    You are welcome :)
     

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