Hey everyone..I've had my R4 for about a year now and to be honest..I'd rather buy the games. Why you say? I miss the days where I'd rush to my nearest gaming store and just pickup a fresh copy of New super mario bros! And just unwrapping it. It gives you a feeling of satisfaction inside... With the R4 it's just like "Hmmm let me downlaod this game. Well it's alrightt..." When you -buy- games even if they're crappy you still play them for hours. Just because you paid for them! Plus if you're a collector like me you'd really like to see a shelf with all your game cases so one day you can say "hey, look at my collection." Sure the R4 can play music, videos, custom cheats and around 20-40 games..But...I don't know...I just really don't like it. It's dishonest and it's ripping off nintendo! If you're a true gamer you'll buy your games. If you're just a speed gamer who just likes to relax for a while and just play abit. Then okay get one. And the only reason why I have one is because I don't have enough money to keep on buying games. Noone really understands how I feel as a gamer coming home with the new Zelda or the new Mario. And yes. I am willing to pay £200($400)+ to rebuy all the games I downloaded. Just for the cases. Just for the feeling of actually OWNING the games. Some may say I'm mad. But I'm a true gamer. And true gamers IMPORT games or find the best deals. And that's my point of view on Flash Cards. ~C. Discuss.
If only 6 or 8 new game titles came out every year from quality sources and they were priced at $20 a pop, I'm quite sure many people would buy more games. As it is, a gazillion come out all the time, more than half of them are absolute crap, and one must pay $35 to roll the dice and take a chance on getting a good one or being stuck fighting through some half baked piece of junk with no replay value. If I were the kind of guy who might download a ROM to play it and see if I liked it before I bought it, that might be the reason I would do that, if I were that kind of guy, which I'm not.
Yeah same here...I guess..Try before you buy like renting at blockbuster . It's a good idea... But..I'm an extreme collector. So even if it is crap I'll still be glad to have a pile of crap sitting on my shelf. Because I love crap.
I probably own 2 dozen ds games and I will likely purchase more. However, I still like having the M3 & R4 just for convenience. It's nice to have all of my games on one cartridge as opposed to carrying all 24 games with me everywhere I go. I fully support purchasing games you like just to make sure that the games are profitable and help ensure that the vendor will produce more great games. It's also nice for the cheats, which you could always buy the ActionReplay for, but then you have another cartridge to carry around. I guess I'm trying to say that I like it mainly because it's added convenience.
yea i feel the same way. like i got madden 05', like bought it in stores, and to be honest that game sucks. but i pulled off hours and hours of that game, beat 3 seasons worth with 2 different teams, and seasons take a long time. i bought about 9 games before i got my r4. and yes, the r4 does seem to kill the spirit of ds. but i liked all the ds roms ive gotten, and played them for hours, im still not done with all my games because i havent started about like half of them. besides electroplankton (its only fun for like 5 minutes a sitting), ive liked them all.
I'd rather pay 30-40 dollars for good games like Zelda: Phantom Hourglass and Metroid Prime Hunters. I'll agree with snorlax22 in that crappy games like Elf Bowling (a game you can play for free on the computer), some whack-a-mole game, and Deal or No Deal keep coming out on the DS like it's a stupid flash game player. All of them provide about 60 seconds of amusement before getting tossed out the window. Of course there are also games like Megaman and Sonic the Hedgehog, which I think have been steadily losing their lively touch over the years that one might want to look at before buying, but in the end will probably buy it anyway cause it's good enough. Of course, GBA games can be bought at the store for like $5 probably, so I have no real shame over downloading it instead, but the DS is still very well alive and Nintendo deserves to get payed for their job well done. Even if I might not play the game in cartridge form, I'd love to have a real copy of the game so that when I'm old and kids are playing video games with their brains instead of their hands, I can show them what my video games were like and where it all came from.
Technically you are supposed to be buying the games even if you have the R4. If the R4 is being used to play games then those games are expected to be back-ups of your originals. So go ahead and buy games like you were supposed to be doing in the first place.
Did you know you can use roms for 24 hours or less and it'll be legal? But you have to delete it after. And btw...~Reads your sig~ Don't tell me you've got chips for like every console on the planet and it's all to run backups right..? Right? ^~^.
That is a load of crap spread by rom sites, it is not legal at all. More on topic though, I do buy games, I have about 20 of them, I use my flash carts for convenience mostly, but also like to try games before I buy them, or, as i'm in the UK, to play games that takes ages to get here from USA/Japan or are never released here. Most of my purchased DS games, Zelda and Castlevania not shown though. A few of those games are mainly to keep my brother happy. Probably missing a couple more but cannot think of them (can't be bothered to check either).
I can only add... when I stop buying games and start downloading I barely finished 5. Why? Because you can always download a "new" one and forget about the one you played before. So, you are not that mad. Buying games is not only good because it is more "legal", it is simply more fun! And I do miss all that times when I actually played and played and played the same game over and over again. Good to know I am not alone in this feeling *)
Just back-ups. I have fun modifying consoles. I bought a PSP just to mod it. same with the original xbox. I've had too many originals get screwed up so I use back-ups. Also, having modded consoles helps with games that never see release like Hlaf-Life for Dreamcast or Thrill Kill for PSX. Manhunt 2 with filter patch also. Its not like I have never bought the Half-Life games, either. I own 3 varous copies of HL1 for computer and the PS2 version, so I thinks its OK if I found a way to obtain the Dreamcast version.
Wow, your post on these forums has completely opened my eyes! What was I doing buying m3s? Oh my god, its all so clear to me now that you said that! *Chucks m3 into the garbage can* Sorry guys, Id have given it away but I dont want to promote the product to other people, now that Chrono has opened my eyes to the truth! [/sarcasm]
Been meaning to ask you, what's the differences between your brown WarioWare Touched and yellow WarioWare Touched?
One is a kiosk demo given to shops to have in their demo DS units, I got mine in 1 of the 3000 VIP DS packs that were on the Nintendo UK site a couple of months before the official launch of the DS. My Mario 64 is also a "pre-release" version which came in the VIP pack, but in truth all it is is the USA cart that came in a UK box
So ok, except for the Joshewah, who is doing this for fun, why do YOU modified your console? For me it was simple, first - games I wanna play were just not available in country I lived that time. And second, becoming older you want to spend you hard earned cash on some other stuff I guess. But it really not that fun (for me) as to actually buy a game, as I really don't have any fun having a game as it is. Not to mention I play more games, yet I play every new game way less in general... And one more thing - I guess we are speaking about if modifying consoles is legal or not now, let me put a suggest that most of us perfectly understand it is NOT legal and we are braking a law, not to mention stealing developers CASH (by not buying their game). And please - try not to tell me that this is not like this 8) So, let us concentrate on a first post maybe?
I think most would suggest that if I have purchased and own 10 games, that if I choose to play back up ROMs of those games that I store on a flash cart for convenience I ought to be able to do so, it shouldn't be considered a problem, and I'm not taking cash out of anybody's pocket (quite the opposite- I'm buying an extra storage item, the cart). Plus home brew made and freely distributed to run on a flash cart is arguably exactly what is supposed to happen. Some people may choose to engage in piracy with their flash carts. There are perfectly legal and appropriate uses for the technology, however. Driving 85kph in a 90kph zone is fine. Driving 110kph in the same zone is a problem. It's what people do, it's not the car's fault.
exactly what my views are on this also - nicely put. Many moons ago i use to sail a certain pirate ship, our motto was "if the games worth keeping - its worth buying" not exactly the case with ds games - most are crap, and as i myself have said in the past here - somewhere... i dont really need any more ms cards for my r4 - one 2 gig card i think is enough for me anyway, since of the 40 odd titles on it - and i have been picky as to what i got on there, even out of those 40 id say only 4 or 5 have total replay value, and most of those are racing games....
Yep, but I was not saying that flash cards are evil, was I? 8) True, yet I am sure most of the people wouldn't buy any actual game already having it as rom. Only if this is the game they love! But what to do with other games? It is not about if the game is good or bad, as it costs money to produce in any case. And idea of the first post was not about legal issues btw 8)
Hey, I feel the EXACT same way man. Let me share with you my story and how I feel.. Before when I had a GBA, I started off buying games and then when I found out about flash cards I was like 'OMG I can just download as many games as I want for free!" and so I bought a flash card. I spent ages just downloading tonnes of GBA roms and I had like 150 in the end....but I didn't even play them all....I just had to have them because they were there free to download. There were some games I played a lot but like you said it is REALLY easy to forget about a game and just delete it from your flash card. On the other hand when you buy games, there's a sense of appreciation and satisfaction about it that's missing when you download games. The game is fresh in the case with the manual and nice artwork and you bought it because you actually REALLY wanted to play it...not because you were like 'meh I'll try it out and see if it's any good' which is what you do with flash cards. And so I sold my GBA with the flash card after realizing this but kept the games I originally bought which were worth keeping like Golden Sun 1 & 2. When I bought my DS Lite I knew there were flash cards for it....I knew I could just buy one and download the games for free and save money but I didn't buy one...I didn't want to. I wanted to appreciate and savor the games that I played on DS so I bought the games I REALLY wanted to play. When you buy games you have to think whether you really want to play it and you have to check reviews to see if it's any good. But when you download games you don't have to worry about that cause there's nothing to lose. That's what is missing. There's no appreciation. It's like a kid with lots of money who can buy every single DS game out there. If he buys that many he'll have too many games to play and won't appreciate and enjoy the time he spends playing them. But if a kid saves up his birthday money and spends it all on the one game that he REALLY wants, he'll play it....he'll play it a lot and for a long time and he'll have a lot of fun! I have 5 friends who have a DS and they all have flash cards while I'm the only one who buys the games. When I tell them to play a game I bought which is really good, they're like 'ok I'll try it' and the next minute they're like 'meh it's boring I can't be bothered playing it' and they delete it off their flash card. If they had bought the game there's no way they'd say that after playing it for a minute because they spent money on it so they'd need to give it time. As a result all my friends don't play some of the best games the DS has to offer like Metroid Prime Hunters and Starfox DS because they think it's 'boring'. Also, as you said I like to see my little collection of games on the shelf, knowing I have the original hard copies of the game rather than files on my computer. Plus I like Nintendo and have had their consoles since I was a little kid all the way back to the NES so I'll continue to buy their games rather than ripping them off. They offer the best games video game history so they deserve the money. I think the only way you can really judge whether a game is truly enjoyable or not is if you actually buy the game. If someone downloads the game it's easy for them to say it's crap or boring but if you buy the game and even if it's boring at first you'll still play it and see what it has to offer later on. I've played games before where I was like 'Man did I make a mistake buying this game' only to play it more and realise it's actually fun. With people that download the games though, they won't give it a second try...they'll just delete it. After all...they didn't spend any money on it! If I buy a flash card it'd only be for convenience but then my Wi-Fi friend code's are different so it kinda messes everything up. I also have a PSP with custom firmware so I can download games for free but I've only got 4 games (Ridge Racer, GTA, Silent Hill Origins and B-Boy) which I keep on the memory stick because they're the only ones I play and want to play. I don't bother downloading and hording games I don't even play on my computer anymore. Oh and I only do this for PSP because their UMDs suck so bad cause they take FOREVER to load but on the memory stick they load instantly. I still prefer DS games by a long shot though Can't beat Nintendo!! So yeah, everyone should buy their games cause even if you buy a flash card now, one day you'll realize that downloading games isn't as fun as buying them!
If you get a buzz out of blowing your cash for more moulded plastic with a nice graphic or two then fine but really don't try and say the games themselves become better if you buy them or don't because if it's good it's good and if it's bad it's bad. If you play a bad game just cos you payed for it then you lose twice... your money and your time and that's the reality. Buy games you really like by all means if that's what you wanna do. There is no such thing as a "true gamer" - you either play or you don't. To use the word, "true" in the hope that others recognise it as setting you aside from those who don't play imports or even buy games is daft lol. No offense but think about it... I could say I'm a true gamer cos I only think about gameplay and I'd think it was more valid but I'm just a gamer in reality. Regular purchasing actually becomes compulsive which is where the buzz comes from - not the actual game itself. When ppl can afford summat they "like" they will often get excited about shopping - games software, clothes, books - all sorts... always drooling over the latest acquisition when the hold it up in front of them - even if it's crap. Me - I play games and don't care about packaging... mostly PC games (bought and payed for and downloaded via Steam, EA etc.) Piracy, honesty etc - ppl can decide for themselves but I am not qualified to judge anybody cos I definitely speed every time I get in my car but the main difference between a bought game and a pirated game (morals aside) is that you can get some money back on trade in or selling it on - especially important if you have a pos you just payed thru the nose for lol. The fact is that the games industry produces a lot of crap and marketting/packaging etc. dupes ppl into blowing their hard earned on it - not everybody checks out reviews and stuff and I believe that often software companies put out substandard rubbish because they messed up the job and can't redo it so they sell it as is and some poor saps pay their wages. Also you defo don't have to buy a game to see if it's good - it's all subjective but, for sure, if you buy a game you are certainly gonna be obliged to see the best in it cos the last thing you wanna say to yourself is, "I got ripped off and wasted my money." R4 - I'd tell everyone to get one if they had a DS. I'd not tell 'em to grab every game off the net - that's up to them. I have a DS and a PSP and generally don't use 'em much for games but do love the homebrew particularly on the PSP. In short - ppl shouldn't romanticise about "ownership" of gaming titles. IMHO - it's too irresponsible to attach sentiment or overvalue anything you have to pay good money for and you will definitely - and I mean definitely waste your cash on some purchases.
