The joys of Blu-Ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray players' started by nut7, Nov 14, 2008.

  1. nut7

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    So a few weeks ago I decided I wanted to start a Blu-Ray. 2 days ago I got my hands on 5 genuine BR movies. I heard on google that anydvd will remove the latest BD+ protection. So I got it and began ripping BR to my HD with no problems. Piece of cake. First thing that grabbed my attention was the fact that it said estimated time was 90 minutes to completion. Next thing was the 44gb it took up, with all the menus and languages stripped. OUCH.

    First I ripped to the HD, I didn't know what to do with it so I ripped an ISO. I busted out daemon tools and media player classic. That was a no good. So I tried VLCplayer, no good. I tried power dvd, then windvd, still no good. I find out only a certain build of powerdvd will play ISO, 3319a. So I hunt that down install it and I still can not play my movies. What a pain in the ass. So now I have ISO's that won't play and other files that I don't know what to do with. Couple questions.....

    -- Is this the best time to be starting a BR collection? Is seems like it's still in it's infancy and alot of the programs are not up to the task. Should I let it mature a bit before I take this on?

    -- What do I do with the files that anydvd rips to the HD?

    -- What is the best way to edit out unwanted content?

    -- What is the best way to compress these movies?

    -- I have been unable to find a way to play BR ISO, is this even possible?

    -- Is is better to convert to MK4 or MP4? How do I do that? Which is better, MK or MP ?



    Much Appreciated
     
  2. odin24

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    Go here, it is a great source of information for what you want to do. There is also a great guide and all of the applications you need in one bundle for free to D/L at the beginning of the thread.

    Good luck.
     
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  3. nut7

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    Thanks Odin. I'll start reading through that other post you provided. I got a few more quick questions.

    -- what program do you use to convert those files to MKV ?
    -- how do you watch those files directly when not in ISO ?
    -- what program will give me more control of the editing process ?
    -- do you lose quality when you compress ?
    -- which usually takes up the least space, files, ISO, or MKV ?

    Thanks again.
     
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    I have been reading some more and want to confirm I have this right.

    1) Rip BR to HD with anyDVD
    2) Demux BR files on HD with ProjectX
    3) Convert demuxed BR files with MKVmerge GUI
    4) Play movie with VLC player

    Is that it? Am I missing any steps? Do I need to install any kind of special codecs or encoder for video or audio?
     
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    I don't think you want to use ProjectX, use either tsMuxeR or eac3to. You should also have the following installed either K-Lite Mega Codec Pack or CCCP, VLC should then play your rips.
     
  7. AXT

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    1) Rip Blu-Ray to HardDrive

    2) Use tsMuxer to demux the audio and video from the main movie file (usually the largest file) This way you get rid of unwanted audio tracks that are of other languages and reduce the overall movie size.

    Another thing: if your audio is TrueHD only [In Case of Iron Man] then you will need to convert it to AAC or AC3 because MKV merge cannot handle TrueHD yet. If converting from TrueHD make sure you use a high bitrate~640kbps. A lot of times movies will have TrueHD and AC3 640kbps track so just use the AC3. You can do this with eac3to.

    3) Remux with MKVtool nix into an MKV file (sometimes this does not work and the audio and video will off and you will need to take a couple of extra steps, So far this has only happened when dealing with anime so don't worry too much about it if its only live-action)

    4) Download ffdshow tryouts and install it http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=173941&package_id=199416

    5) Download MediaPlayer Classic HomeCinema.

    6) Go to video decoder configuration in FFDshow and make sure that H264/AVC is set to libavcodec and vc1 is set to wmv9(libavcodec if you don't have WMP 11.

    7) Open Media Player Classic and options/ internal filters. Under transform filters un-check Vc1 and h264/avc.

    8) Enjoy your movie and remember to NEVER use VLC or CCCP or K-lite.

    BTW: Everytime you encode using x264 you will lose quality. It takes months of learning and experimenting to properly learn how to encode movies with minimal loss in quality. I am able to do it because I have been using x264 and avisynth for a number of years. If you are new to the whole process don't expect to get good quality encodes on your first try. Then once again quality is subjective.
     
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    To retain lossless convert THD or DTSHD-MA to FLAC using eac3to. Haaili Media Splitter may be needed, not sure if MKV supports FLAC.

    Does FFDShow decode properly without CCCP or K-Lite, or is it MPC-HC that does the work? At the moment I am still using an old version of MPC, however I do not view on the PC... I use my PS3.
     
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  9. AXT

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    1) THD --> FLAC = Large File Size...Unless you are an audiophile or have proper Equipment hooked up to your PC you probably will not be able to tell if you convert to THD-->AC3/AAC at 640kbps (I also don't know if FLAC works with MKVtoolnix...never tried it)

    2) FFDShow is the core of CCCP and K-lite. The question you should ask is does CCCP or K-lite decode properly without FFDShow and the answer is no. CCCP = FFDShow + Haali Media Spliter + VsFilter(used to render subtitles)

    3) MPC home cinema can do the work itself. I like using BETA builds of FFDShow because MPCHC is not updated as often and sometimes you might encounter decoding problems that can be easily fixed by installing the latest beat build of FFDshow tryouts

    4) The old version of MPC is not being developed anymore. The new version and the one you should be using is media player classic HomeCinema http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/

     
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    OK then. I have FFDShow and CCCP on my PC... for who knows how long now without any issues. Are you saying only have FFDShow is needed? I do my own rips/encodes.

    It's a good thing there are a select few that understand what settings are required for optimal results. Unfortunately I am not one of them (I'm learning though), I use a profile prepared by Ryu77, and sometimes one that is packaged with MeGUI... one of the stand-alone profiles.

    EDIT: Thanks for the good information.
     
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    I'm having progress but I'm not quite there yet. This is what I did.

    -I used tsMuxer to demux the largest file in the BR "stream" folder. File size 23gb. I did not demux any files but the largest.

    -After this completed I had a bunch of files on my desktop. I used MKVtool to remux the 2 largest files, they were 2gb VLC media file .ac3, and a 4gb wave sound file. The remux failed, so I tried to remux just the VLC media file, which also failed.

    Am I doing something wrong? MKVtool tells me something about automatically setting FPS to 25. Am I suppose to select certain settings when I demux and remux? I used default settings. Also, how do I know if my audio is trueHD only?
     
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    I don't think MKV supports HD audio, if you are going to play on your PC, you can play the m2ts file... no demuxing neccesary. If you're not sure what type the stream is, use MediaInfoRaw on it.
     
  13. AXT

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    If your audio is bigger than 1GB chances are that it is lossless audio and MKVMerge cannot handle it. Since you are getting the automatically set the FPS to 25 what you need to to is simply highlight the movie file in the "tracks" section the on go to the tab that says "format specific options" and under FPS change it to 24000/1001.

    IF your movies has no other main audio track then get:

    eac3to:
    http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125966

    and the gui:
    http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=483e9d29164ef2f3d5a101cf914073b417c134476594f301

    also refer to the readme:
    http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/yraen...w=l&.src=bc&.done=http://briefcase.yahoo.com/

    its the .doc file

    make sure all the file paths are set then click on "Add Source File" and look for your movie.m2ts

    under audio tab simply go to input file(s) or folder and select your source.

    From here you can proceed and convert your audio to AC3 640kbps

    Input your demuxed H264 movie and converted audio into MKVmerge, mux and enjoy.
     

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