which software to use?

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  1. dj_storm

    dj_storm Member

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    Which is the best software to use for burning dvd-r to dvd-r on the fly.I was using nero 5.5 but just purchased a new pioneer 106 and nero 5.5 wouldn't recognise the drive.I upgraded to nero 6 but its a real resource hog and wont let me do anything else while burning a disk.
    I've a good spec pc and need to be able to do other functions while burning.Like surf the web or print covers.So please recomend a program that will serve my needs?
     
  2. herbsman

    herbsman Moderator Staff Member

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    1st: You can expect erratic errors burning on-the-fly

    2nd: I'd never suggest doing anything else on PC while burning , unless you have blank discs to spare

    (Why do you NEED to be doing other stuff at time of burn as you can burn at X4 , which means only 15min burn-time)?
     
  3. Minion

    Minion Senior member

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    It doesn"t matter how Fast your PC is you still should not do ANYTHING while Burning unless you don"t mind read/Write errors and Buffer Underflows...
     
  4. drchips

    drchips Active member

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    Oh!!

    [bold][begin joke][/bold] So my Dual P3-1000 with 1 gig of ram, 4 x 120GB raid 0+1, Pioneer 104 & 105 Burner system should not be used for anything else while I am burning!!!

    Aaarrghh, I bin doing it all wrong these last three years.... That accounts for the half dozen coasters I have made in that time, and there was me blaming crappy media... [bold][end joke][/bold]

    Yep, I agree in principle, is good advice in a rule-of-thumb kinda way - Buffer Under-run protection is NOT the guarantee it implies, handy but not perfect.

    Have Fun..._X_X_X_X_X_[small]Life is just more of the same:[/small]
     
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  5. ScubaPete

    ScubaPete Senior member

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    ACTUALLY, by telling EVERYONE to go ahead and print your labels while you burn, all you do is create a situation where by tons of "Newbies" will blow a wad of money on coasters because you forgot to mention that you are just creating email.

    I sit here answering posts on this forum BECAUSE I have a Gig of RAM. 98% of those here do not.

    Not everyone has your system, don't give him or her, what is to them, just plain bad advice.

    Be just a tiny bit responsible -

    'Nough said -
    "P"
     
  6. Nephilim

    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    That's why I smoke. Start a burn, have a smoke and a drink, then collect my finished DVD.
     
  7. ScubaPete

    ScubaPete Senior member

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    I'm sorry di_storm,

    It is your thread and I neglected you,

    I'm sorry but the best I can do is answer some forum email while I burn and it seems tonight I can't do that.

    I was backing up Rat Race and now have a coaster.

    I'm sure you must have a superior system to that of mine but I use Nero and CloneDVD and I have to keep my fingers out of the pie or else, yep, another coaster -

    I know of no program that will do what you wish on MY computer -

    Best of luck on your search,
    "P"
     
  8. drchips

    drchips Active member

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    Hiya folks,

    I HOPE EVERYONE NOTICED the [bold][begin joke][/bold] and [bold][end joke][/bold] tags in my previous post here.

    WARNING: If your system is not of GOOD spec this will disappoint.

    For dj-storm, the prerequisites for achieving the result you require are as follows:

    1 - fast & reliable hard drives (note the plural, swap file/temp folder/IE cache on a separate drive if possible), a single drive CAN handle it but you need to be more careful.
    2 - plenty of memory (coz there is going to be a lot of things in it)
    3 - Printer, network connected / USB connected / otherwise (TCP/IP printing is least greedy of cpu, parallel is most greedy of cpu)
    4 - burn software that is not resource-hungry (NERO 6 is BAD for that), if you can aquire a copy of Prassi PrimoDVD, I would strongly recommend it for DVD's (very cheap on cpu resources).
    5 - DVD SOURCE DRIVE that has a MINIMUM read speed with the source disk of at LEAST 2x the write speed you want.
    6 - SOURCE and DESTINATION drives preferably on their own channels as Masters
    7 - Windows 2000 as minimum (XP Pro is OK), Win98 etc is a no-no.
    8 - PERFECT source disk
    9 - PERFECT destination disk

    as herbsman said, burning on-the-fly is NOT RECOMMENDED, OK.

    Now comes the techy bit:

    Anything loaded & running in memory BEFORE the burn software is initialised will have a considerably lessened draw on resources.

    In the task manager under the processes tab, you can right-click on the processes you are interested in and set the priority
    (e.g. spoolsv.exe is the printer service under Win2k, this can be set LOWER than normal)
    For your burner software you can set the priority HIGHER than normal (NEVER use realtime, high is dodgy with a single cpu, abovenormal is fine).

    Only burn at HALF the speed of the SLOWEST part, whether that be drive OR media.

    That will take care of the multitasking for the greater part.

    REMEMBER: every program you open has to be loaded from Hard-drive into memory to run, this eats cpu cycles, ram & I/O bandwidth (cpu does everything in an ide system), if it is pre-loaded before burning, task-switching is much cheaper on everything.

    For ScubaPete,
    the system spec in your sig indicates you should have no problems multitasking while burning, with the following caveats:
    the 20gig drive is going to be slowing the I/O on whatever channel it is connected to (introducing wait-states)
    unless you have multiple pci raid or ide adapters in your system, there is a high probability that you have multiple devices on ide busses that are incompatible with each other as far as access & bandwidth are concerned.
    Have you profiled your system to identify the bottlenecks?

    While typing this, in the background I have ripped from the 104, run TMPGEnc encoding from a quicktime movie via Bink into MPEG2, picked up email over my network, printed a pdf to my LaserJet 4 AND burned a DVD on the 105 from a previously processed job - just to be sure.

    Sometimes, just sometimes, people like to know that the stars ARE attainable.

    I hope that is enough info to calm the waters.

    If I am irresponsible in this, then flame away, I am wearing asbestos pants...
     
  9. Nephilim

    Nephilim Moderator Staff Member

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    I'll still smoke. I don't like messing with a good thing over 15 minutes._X_X_X_X_X_[small]Gun Control - The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, strangled with her pantyhose is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to the police how her attacker recieved that fatal bullet wound.[/small]
     
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  10. drchips

    drchips Active member

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    Hahaha, you're right nephilim, there ARE some good points about not multitasking.
    Nice sig.

    Have Fun
     
  11. fasfrank

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    I just don't see what the rush is, I guess if I really wanted to do a bunch of other stuff, I'd buy another computer. Or borrow one. Is it legal to back up a DVD on a borrowed computer?
    Im just an old guy who doesn't know much about computers. This VAIO is my first. I did a RAM upgrade, an external hard drive, and put in a couple of DVD drives. I do enjoy hearing you guys talk about how fast they are. Makes me think of my bike.

    Best Wishes,
    Frank
     
  12. drchips

    drchips Active member

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    Ahhh fastfrank,

    your sig brought back some good memories..

    I had a 1989 black & red GSXR1100, second generation jobbie.

    She was a licence buster, would spit you off if you were too soft with her (had to keep the power on in the corners or she would try to sit up, bit like the old plastic maggot) - I do miss that bike..

    Me a performance-oriented kinda guy (46 & still like the adrenalin buzz), hence the kit I use.

     
  13. fasfrank

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    Hi drchips,
    Kinda helps to be an old guy with one of these things, caution is required. The new ones are so sweet though. Just roll the throttle on coming out of a corner and the front will gently lift and your line doesn't change much at all. Those older Gixxers gave me religion though! Great fun! You know what I mean.

    Anyhow I see in your postings that you have some knowledge of TMPGEnc DVD author! Question>> Can I use it in Backing up a DVD? I posted a couple of pages back but have gotten no responses. Is it that stupid of a question?
    I thought I would be able to put in a menu and do a little editing but no, my bitrate is too high. Whats a bitrate? No, just kidding, I know what a bitrate is, (I think) I wonder if I'm just missing something as far as how my source files should be processed before proceeding with TMPGEnc.

    Frank
     
  14. drchips

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    fasfrank,

    yeah, I know what you mean, I learned that the throttle works BOTH ways, that's how I got to 46.

    back to computers:

    a little confused,

    do you want to back-up a dvd? OR
    create DVD ready MPEG2 files with TMPGEnc? OR
    use existing MPEG2 files to create a DVD-Compliant structure using TMPG Author?

    three different things, you see..._X_X_X_X_X_[small]Life is just more of the same:[/small]
     
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    Well originally I wanted to add menus to movies I had re-authored with DVD Shrink. I have failed at doing that. I'm pretty good with programs like Nero and Shrink, but this is a bit more complicated.

    What I am doing is adding files from a DVD9 movie to TMPGEnc DVD author as I would using a burning prorgam like Nero. I use Shrink or Decrypter to create the files on my hard drive. Once the files are opened in TMPGEnc, I can then create chapters and remove portions as I like. When I begin to output, I get a "combined bitrate will result in a non-standard DVD...etc" error and that is where I stop.

    Im trying to follow the guide here:
    http://www.chrismccann.co.uk/user_guides.htm

    Thanks,
    Frank
     
  16. drchips

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    Hiya fasfrank,

    it seems we might be homing in on the problem....

    The files you are adding from a DVD-9, what format are they?
    Are they all from the same disk? or different disks?

    Have Fun...
     
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    Hi again,
    I'm using files created by decrypter or Shrink, when I open Tmpgenc, I select "add files", browse for my VIDEO_TS folder, select it and add the files.
    I'm not trying to combine two discs, The last attempt I made was using a main movie only title ripped with decrypter, file mode, total size was under 3 gigabytes.
     
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    Right,

    some production houses are a little bit loose with the specifications for DVD-VIDEO and use non compliant file contents.

    TMPG Author will sometimes work with VOBs, and sometimes not (they HAVE to be fully compliant).

    The support function on their website explains this.

    When you say you are using TMPGEnc are you sure!!
    There are two distinct programs:
    TMPGEnc (MPEG1 & MPEG2 ENCODER)
    TMPG DVD Author (Authoring)
    are you mixing the two, coz you talk about authoring with TMPGEnc and editing with TMPG Author!!!

     
  19. fasfrank

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    Sorry about that, I'm using TMPGEnc DVD author by Pegasys. http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tda.html
    I did a search for TMPG DVD author but could not find a URL for it.
    If we can get that cleared up it may be a bit easier to move forward. Hehe.
    I was attempting to follow the guide, step by step, with a commercial DVD-9. After ripping with Decrypter in file mode, another attempt was made using DVD Shrink, ripping the main movie title only,
    This is the guide I used:
    http://chrismccann.co.uk/tmpgenc-dvd-author.htm

    I have not downloaded TMPGEnc, which is another product by Pegasys.
     
  20. drchips

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    Hiya guys,

    [bold]dj_storm[/bold], you getting anything from this thread you started? It seems to have wandered a bit but I have not forgotten you. Are you going to join in so we can at least make the effort to assist you?

    [bold]fasfrank[/bold], do you get the "combined bitrate" error when you use the files from just one group?

    I suspect this error comes about under a couple of circumstances:
    1 - one of the inputs is out-of-spec
    2 - different source files in a project have different/incompatible bitrates.

    I had a look at chris mccann's guide, not bad & works as expected.

    Have Fun...
     

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