"And you're freakin suspended for two weeks" neph that got me crackin up lol I just hope somebody settles this war sooner or later, i wanna know which one im going to buy lol. Rob.
This is correct. Here's the link to the "official" Toshiba announcement that they haven't submitted the 51 Gig TL specs to DVD Forum for approval yet (dated March 1st, 2007): http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/03/01/toshiba/index.php Your 2nd point about BluRay hard-coating is also correct. From personal experience with borrowed discs, even PS3 games seem to stand up pretty well to scratching and smudging. Plus TDK has announced their Durabis coated BD media: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9100.cfm
Blueray will be better in audio and video in the next coming week. Since it has just been announce that the newer blueray movies will use a double layer bd disc instead of a single layer. This means that it will take over 25 gigs of space per a movie, while a hd-dvd can only store 30 gigs (dual layer). http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=130
I worked for the largest manufacturer of DVD/CD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray in the world "Cinram". I worked there when both HD and Blu-ray were being introduced and produced by the company and we got to sit through seminars and watch both as we were looking for minor imperfections in the video such as flicker, blurring, color morphing, etc. And to give you a definitive answer from the company and from I blu-ray does not have the clarity and sharpness of HD-DVD although Blu-Ray is still in an adolescent state as the process to a good mass production of blu-ray versus scraping alot of discs was still a factor when i left. There was talk that once the process had all the kinks worked out that the video would be a little better, however i never stayed long enough to find out if they worked out the bugs.
how long did you work there for? Could you please tell us a rough estimate of the time period? Thanks
There's general consensus that the bugs have been worked out. Picture quality is a virtual tie. Case in point are the releases that are VC-1 encodes for both formats. See my post above from February 24.
I worked at Cinram Manufacturing in Olyphant, PA from June 2006 - August 2006. Being that it's nearly 8 months since i have moved i would think that the process has finally been cleaned up. I still have friends that work at the facility i could ask how it has come along if you would like.
Comments like these are not at all helpful and just display a bias for HD-DVD that is not based on any personal experience or proven information. I have watched both formats and to my eye there is very little difference. All I can say is that both are better than standard DVD. So the premise that HD-DVD has better video and audio just is not true. I would say the one thing HD-DVD has going for it is that it is the cheaper option and as there is little to choose in quality between both formats(IMO)the cost issue may be one of the deciding factors. Having said that it has recently been reported that blue-ray prices may fall in the not to distant future so there still may be a good way to go before one format triumphs.
Doesnt mean anything about video or audio quality. The differences between HD-DVD and Bluray are more based on the codecs used vs disk space. Well and how well the transfer was, just look at the fifth element on bluray, its really bad, becasue it was a rushed transfer. Vc-1 vs MPEG4 should be the true title of this thread. Sure, Bluray has some VC-1 encodes (Warner movies) and they look on par with HD-DVD. But the majority of MPEG4 encodes look very subpar when compared to a VC-1 encode. VC-1 requires way less headroom than MPEG4, so space is not an issue. Were space does become an issue is on Bluray. They need all that extra space to get comparable quality. Why you ask. Bluray has been encoding using MPEG4, same codec as DVD. Bluray disks contain lossless PCM tracks which are huge space hogs when compared to HD-DVD DD+ and TrueHD tracks. Space has no effect on HD-DVD unless its used as a PC optical media for storage. Dont take this post the wrong way, Bluray has some excellent encodes, Casnio Royal is reference quality. And look amazing on both my SXRD, and my XBR3. But i still cant blind buy Bluray like i can HD-DVD (Well with some excpetings like FMJ) .
You have to remember also its not just the quality that will decide which format is better. You may have a blu-ray player but you want to buy that particular movie or tv series but its only available on hd-dvd or visa versa. also many movies available on normal dvds, will never be on blu-ray or hd-dvd. The best way is to buy both blu-ray and hd-dvd players if you want to watch as many movies on full HD.
Just when I was getting comfortable building my DVD collection, I see that these HD movies will be the future and DVD will be the old VHS. My favorite movie is the Matrix and now sometime in the future we will all have to covert to HD and pay more for the same movie. Matirx trilogy HD DVD is 64$ and the Matrix Trilogy on DVD is 34$. Everyone will be forced to replace their old 720 x 480 with the new 1920 X 1080. After all, who wants to watch a "low res" dvd when you can watch it more clearly in HD DVD.
The HD-DVD of the Matrix Trilogy is an amazing transfer. I use reloaded as my demo disk now. Judging current releases, HD-DVD quality has been much better than Blu-ray. Coming to America is by far better on HD-DVD. Even review sites have noticed this. This is a pure Video comparison becasue of the nature of the movie. The blu-ray version doesnt pop like the HD-DVD version. And it should be noted that Sony did the encode for Blu-ray and Paramount did the encode for HD-DVD. The Blu-ray also contains much more noise than its HD-DVD counterpart.
Most review sites especially highdefdigest.com will disagree with this statement. Coming to America is one of the few exceptions but majority of releases on both formats have the same exact rating and review with respect to video and picture quality - even those with different encodes: Black Snake Moan: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/blacksnakemoan.html http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/blacksnakemoan.html Blood Diamond: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/blooddiamond.html http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/blooddiamond.html The Untouchables: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/untouchables.html http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/untouchables.html Letters From Iwo Jima: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/lettersfromiwojima.html http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/lettersfromiwojima.html Flags Of Our Fathers: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/flagsofourfathers.html http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/flagsofourfathers.html Mission Impossible II: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/mi2.html http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/mi2.html Mission Impossible I: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/missionimpossible.html http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/missionimpossible.html Mission Impossible III: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/missionimpossibleiii.html http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/missionimpossibleiii.html Superman Returns: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/supermanreturns.html http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/supermanreturns.html Happy Feet: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/happyfeet.html http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/happyfeet.html ...and others.
End of the day until the price comes down for the players no one is going to adopt either format unless you’ve got money to throw away £250+ just for the player come on get real I’ve got a 42 inch lcd TV watching a DVD looks good to me so paying that much more for a player for so called better resolution I don’t care how good they say it is isn’t happening with my hard worked for money plus the missus would go mad she isn’t nice when she’s got one on her
from the examples...i looked at 2 of them and hd dvd got better overall score...they had the same video/audio score though
