Denon 2805 questions

long story behind this guy, he buys new stuff all the time, he has loads of money......... not totally sure how he gets it (undercover)
but in the past year alone, he built a $600k home, has bought 3 NEW vehicles already, so you get the idea.
he says he is never happy with what he buys, so he is always upgrading... so i am game for a free pair of speakers, for a few hours of labor.

 

Not much time to write; I'm supposed to be working for a living! Darien, has your 2805 been delivered yet? What the salesman meant by "leaving it on" was leaving it on standby. You'll notice that it has two power switches. The smaller one will turn it off completely while the larger more prominent one will operate on and standby surrounded by a green or red circle of light.

Gear, thanks for all the info, like Darien, I'll print it and go over it.

Darien, you were right and I took no offense at your joke but I can understand where gear was coming from. There are some real "flamers" here and there in this site. Disagree with them on something or say you prefer equipment over theirs and they go totally psycho. Must happen in all the sites like this, I guess ... thanks again, guys; I've got work to do ... or not. Gerry

By the way, Gear, I live in downtown Philadelphia; right in front of my apartment, good ol' Ben Franklin and his rowdys would fling "road apples" in their sling shots at the red-coats.

 

too bad you are that far, MovieDud is actually close to me. perhaps one day i'll give you my number, we can discuss things further and eaiser that way.

 

Sounds like a great plan gear79. My wife loves that I found someone online to discuss electronics and burning software. Have a good day.
MovieDud

 

haha....... thats funny, cuz my wife thinks i am chatting with my girlfriends.......
she says i spend more time here then with her..
maybe you and your wife can stop by one day and have a bbq with plenty of beer.., you bring the bbq and beer, i'll provide the space.

 

Sounds great! Hey, just a guick note...I was backing up my copy of Stealth (picked it up at lunch). I made one copy on cheap media just to see about this blank screen...sure enough, used Intercopy 3 and there was a blank screen and there was no way to go forward...so I went to Recode 2, and for some reason this movie could not work with it, yet I used shrink and bam there it was...sniped the beginning with the blank screen made a folder and burned a perfect copy. I wonder what Sony is trying with this blank screen. Madagascar was fine, just finding the prog that didn't have any issue with this movie and perfect copy. I don't know...what I do know is that it pays to have so many progs at your fingertips to check which one can handle the movie and which one has less compression than the others. Hey, I'll chat with ya later. have a good evening.
MovieDud

 

i know what you mean........ and being off topic, but i am fixing to just go buy this movie as soon as my wife picks me up.
but yes, sony is gettin sneaky, and soon, it will be impossible to back up. ok she is here, see ya

 

Thanks again for the great info Gear.

What I want to be able to do is to be able to watch TV with or without the AVR on, but also be able to watch DVD's through the AVR. Will the hook-up method you described enable me to do that?

I can see what you mean about there potentially being a miasma of cables.

If I understand you correctly, I need to get a DVI cable to go from my cable box directly to my TV. But what about going to the receiver, so that I can take advantage of the AVR up-conversion when I want to?

I guess I'll just hook my DVD up directly to my AVR since I never really watch movies without it.

 

@ darien..
unless your AVR has HDMI upconversion, which i am pretty sure it does not, just run your DVI cable direct from cable box to tv and use your optical out from cable box and dvd player to receiver for digital sound.
and for your analog sounds, just run the rca's, direct, dont use the receiver, so you can watch with amplified sound, or just plain jane.
if you connect it all right, it will work both ways !! i promise.
i need to look your receiver up, but i know it can be done.
even my old P.O.S. sony worked that way, and it was like 4 years old, technology was not there yet, but still worked.

 

@Gerry:

No I don't have the 2805 yet. It shipped from NJ. It's due to arrive on Thursday. I'm getting antsy.

@Gear:

I had to read your response a few times, but I think I get the gist. So by hooking up the DVI from the cable box to my TV, that will get me digital picture. Then I think you're saying to run fiber optic cable from the cable box to the AVR, then use RCA's to go directly to the TV. That way I'll have sound throught the AVR from the optical output of the cable box and analog sound out of the TV from the RCA's.

The Denon 2805 has video up-conversion to component output. So I guess it doens't make sense to run the video from my cable box to the receiver. It sounds like it won't really improve things.

It looks like my TV only has 1 DVI input. I watch TV much more than DVD's, so I guess I'll use that input for my cable box, and just use the component outs from my DVD player to go directly to my TV.

 

yes, but i think you have one part confused.
providing that you cable box has an optical out, then use it for audio. if not, then just use the left and right RCA output to the tv for normal sound.
same thing with the dvd player.
now if your cable box also has s-video, then use that for your picture instead of just a video cable (the yellow plug)
you should take a few detailed pics of what your equipments a$$ end looks like and post it here, include the tv.
it will give me a better idea of just exactly what you have.
butit sounds like you have got an understanding now !

 

Let's see if this works. The pics are kinda crappy, but here goes:

Here's the back of my TV. The DVI input is on the far left running vertically.

Here's the back of my cable box. The DVI out is on the left side, and the optical out is on the right side, next to the S-Video out.

Hope this helps.

OK. I thought I had it, but now I'm confused again. I thought I was supposed to use the DVI out of the cable box to the TV for picture? Then I was just going to use the component outs of my DVD player to the TV for picture. Should I do it the other way around? HDMI to DVI adapter from the DVD to the DVI input of the TV and then just component video from the cable box to the TV?

 

Darien, you can find well detailed pics of the 2805's backside in Denon's website but it is obvious that you're getting antsy (not that anyone can fault you for that!) but I do think you're putting the cart before the horse here. When you have you're AVR in front of you and all you're equipment's backsides in you're face, Gear's words will make much more sense ("doing once is worth a thousand hearings"). So too, I would set up the system first using a no-brainer piece of equipment first like a CD player just to make sure all speakers are working properly (calibrate later if you wish but make damned sure they're all working properly before you get on to the more complicated stuff). AFTER, you're sure, then proceed to this stuff. I followed gears instructions and it was not only easy but works like a charm (thanks guy), it will all make much more sense when everything is laid out if front of you rather than using "pics and you're imagination" (sounds like I'm typing in a porn site!)....Gerry

 

yes, gerry is right, once its in front of you it will be more clear. and i have not seen the unit yet, but i am sure it is similiar to Gerry's 3805 (does it have HDMI inputs?) i dont think they do. but even if it did, it acts as a middle man for upconversion, now you have to buy twice the cables (not worth it in my mind) so just run direct. i am at work now, so i cant access much here, i would try to draw a picture, but it is cold as hell here, and we are outside, so it would be like a kid with crayons. your pics are kinda blurred and not very clear, the flash hides the image. but from what i see, your cable box...... run your dvi from that to the tv direct, use the optical to the avr for sound (when unit is on) and rca's while off. you may have to set up the avr for 'both' analog and digital (mine has that option) when the avr is off, for your video, use the component or s-video. on my old dvd player, i could not run it that way, because it would not support both outputs when connected. but then again, i only watched movies with the receiver on anyway, so it still worked out, and my wife knew how to operate the old receiver.
i will get back to you later.

 

Darien's 2805 has DVI/HDMI inputs, HDMI outputs and video conversion of analog to HDMI.

Cold in south Texas while on a Nov day in Philly, guys are walking aroung without shirts. Not quite right somehow! Gear and Moviedud, you guys started speaking a foreign language there, were you speaking of making DVD backups? I've been using DVD xcopy platinum to make backups and it is as easy as a click or two but the thing is, they don't make it anymore...got put out of business. I can still make backups really easily but I'm looking for software of a similar nature; do you know if they still make something equally easy?...Gerry

 

@Gerry 1, yes, I feel that it doesn't get much easier than CloneDvd 2, but many of the mentioned progs can be very easy to use. CloneDvd 2 is very simple to learn and it even remembers your personal preferences towards sound options, commentary options and once it is set you really do not have to do much except click 2-3 bottons through a filmstrip type interface and let it go. If you have dual burners or one rom and one burner then you can even have it set up to burn automatically. I prefer Rebuilder/CCE Basic for the movies that require a lot of compressiona and actually after you set the source file and destination folder it can be set up for 1 click mode and it does a great job. It is slower than the others but the others are transcoders, while Rebuilder uses encoders (better quality and do a great job of handling large movie files where compression is great.
Many like the Dvd Fab from www.dvdidle.com and I personally enjoy Recode 2 and Intercopy 3 (not a consis6tant prog when re-authoring but it does great qulaity even with a large amount of compression.
Hope this helps.
MovieDud

 

Thanks MovieDud; you helped a great deal and I'll investigate. My Xcopy platinum still works like a charm but I'm getting a second computer as well as setting up something for my sister. I read so many nasty posts about Xcopy platinum but I've never had a problem with it unless I use cheap media. Didn't work well at first but I called 1-2-3 studios and a techie had me remove RecordNow and some DVD player that interfered, told me to go into task manager and close anything running and I haven't had a problem since...also sounds as good as my originals. Tried Nero once and was ready for the valium. Need something easy; techno-dunce left brainer here! Thanks again!

 

i'm gonna pm a mod, this is waaaaaaaaaay off topic !!! teehee !!


i watched stealth last night, omfg, that movie has bad ass surround, i could even set my yammy to do a matrixed 6th channel. even though i have mine set up for 9 channels, it still showed the iocn for a rear center (matrixed). i am gonna make a back up and pass it along to my dad.

opps, did i just mention that..... shhhh, don't tell.

@ MovieDud... do you know how to extract multi channel sound from a divx file or even an avi file (if encoded in multi channel)
i only use nero, but have any dvd, vso proggies, and divx2dvd..

 

Hey guys. I realize I'm getting a bit ahead of myself here. But I know that the 2805 is so flexible that there are MANY ways I could hook it up. I just wanted to get what was the best set-up for my particular application. I think you guys have helped me to find that. I still would like to check out how my cable looks with the up-conversion of the 2805. Especially if it will make my non-HD channels look better.

I went to Radio Shack tonight and bought a fiber optic cable, HDMI-to-DVI cable and a DVI cable. I'll just take back whatever one I don't end up using. Hopefully, the quality of the Radio Shack cables is good. Usually they have their own cables and the Monster Cable equavilents. But for some reason they didn't have Monster Cable HDMI or DVI cables.

Receiver should be here tomorrow! I can't wait!

Cold in Texas huh? Well it was about 80 today here in Cali.

 

yeah, we had that cold front drop down from canada, gettin chilly tonight too, drops down to like 30 degrees f, got my heat on, brought in my one dog, had my chiwawa get maimed last night, the wife is crushed.
anyway, darien, your better off buying an HDMI cable both ends, drop by best buy or any audio/video store and buy the adapter to DVI
sooner or later, you may not need the DVI and all will go to HDMI connections. so you will be prepared and wont have to buy another cable.