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DVDrebuilder CCE, with DVDremake and Other Tools for Beginners

Discussion in 'DVD / BD-Rebuilder forum' started by Sophocles, Jul 2, 2004.

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  1. Mr2Tone

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    This is a follow up to my question regarding DVDRemake Pro and Nero. If you recall I indicated, Nero Recode 2 would fail during the analyse if the movie has been modified using DVD Remake Pro.

    There is now an upgrade/update to DVD Remake Pro as of July 25th. This upgrade seems to have corrected the problem. You may now use DVD Remake Pro and Recode 2 for burning the movie - no errors.
     
    Mr2Tone, Jul 26, 2004
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  2. Sophocles

    Sophocles Senior member

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    I have the new version of DVDremake Pro but I never tried it with recode, thanks for sharing that.
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  3. X56kemoX

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    hey i have a quick q?? for you guys i have info edit and vobator. my question is every time i try to use both to see a VIDEO_TS.IFO or any .ifo's it says (Mpeg2dec:Error during decoder initialisation)
    what can i do please help.
     
    X56kemoX, Jul 29, 2004
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  4. vurbal

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    @f1drake: So what did you have to do to get your problem solved? It's such a strange one that I just have to know!
     
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  5. vurbal

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  6. happyuser

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    DVD-Rebuilder uses FieldDeinterlacer with (blend=false). FieldDeinterlacer is not as good as being compared to SmoothDeinterlacer. I myself had successfully used DVD-Rebuilder with SmoothDeinterlacer to produce the best quality DVD ever.
    When DVD-Rebuilder uses FieldDeinterlace(blend=false), it sets encodeing setting in CCE as "Alternate" ( interlace ) encoding.
    With SmoothDeinterlacer, after being SmoothDeinterlaced, the Video segment can just be encoded in CCE as Progressive to achieve better quality.
    To use SmoothDeinterlacer with DVD-Rebuilder, it requires a bit of manual ( hand ) work: replace everything "FieldDeinterlace(blend=false)" with SmoothDeinterlacer() equivalency and use "Disable Interlaced for All VTS-sets".

    To reduce Menu ( VTS_01_0.VOB ), use DVD-Shrink to reduce only this menu, but nothing else. It is that simple. Remember K.I.S.S = Keep It Simple S_-_-_-_.
     
    happyuser, Aug 1, 2004
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  7. vurbal

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    I'll have to take a look at it since it obviously shouldn't use interlaced encoding for progressive sources. Just out of curiosity, why do you need to deinterlace instead of leaving it interlaced?

    In any case you should be able to add a custom deinterlacer with less work. In the AviSynth Options is an editor window that will allow you to add custom filters. If you use SmoothDeinterlacer there it will add it to all AVS files. Then you can check the Disable Interlaced option like you were already doing.
     
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  8. Sophocles

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    Sophocles, Aug 1, 2004
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  9. Doc409

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    Yeah, I was trying to figure out how I would transfer this as a Q & A.
     
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  10. happyuser

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    Please post on how can you strip out one or more audio tracks by using DvdReMake.
     
    happyuser, Aug 2, 2004
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  11. Doc409

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    DVD Remake can't do it. You need to go through a program like Shrink at "no compression" and use it to remove the audio you don't want.

    You can then put the Shrink files into Remake for additional editing or just go directly to RB-CCE.
     
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  12. happyuser

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    vurbal
    I did not mean to show off or anything. But have you tried SmoothDeinterlacer with DVD-Rebuilder?

    Why bother to use SmoothDeinterlacer?
    Well, encoding as Interlaced ( "Alternate" ) as five passes is compared to encoding as progressive as only two passes. If you deinterlace CORRECTLY ( by using SmoothDeinterlacer ), then you can just encode ( a particular segment of video ) as Progressive and this will yield better quality at low bitrate: and this is suited for all the extras or trailers in the DVD.
    Done with the insentive to use a GOOD Deinterlacer like the SmoothDeinterlacer.

    As I already said, DVD-Rebuiler, if you deinterlace a particular segment with FieldDeinterlace, this DVD-Rebuilder still encode this segment as INTERLACED ( Alternate = true ). Use SmoothDeinterlacer to deinterlace and then encode ( that segment ) as PROGRESSIVE instead will yield better quality.

    Quote:
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    In any case you should be able to add a custom deinterlacer with less work. In the AviSynth Options is an editor window that will allow you to add custom filters. If you use SmoothDeinterlacer there it will add it to all AVS files. Then you can check the Disable interlaced option like you were already doing.
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    You SHOULD NOT add SmoothDeinterlacer statement to all the AVSs. You should ONLY insert SmoothDeinterlacer statement to only those segments ( AVSs ) that need to be deinterlaced. What segments need to be deinterlaced? Well, first use the "Deinterlace with Decomb" to find out what segments ( AVSs ) need to be deinterlaced.

    I would recommend anyone who would write any GUIDES would have already tried the METHODS first by themselves.
     
    happyuser, Aug 2, 2004
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  13. 64026402

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    Do you understand you are posting in the wrong thread.
    As indicated before, deinterlacing and associated topics need to go into an advanced thread.
    Even then the topic seems less than usefull for a backup system that already has the best results of any program available.



     
    64026402, Aug 2, 2004
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  14. happyuser

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    Or maybe you do not want people to know about the SHORT-FALL of this DVD-Rebuilder. You have to do it right to have the best possible quality gain.
     
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    In the beginners thread the last thing they want to hear is someones theories about percieved shortcomings and additional advanced procedures to correct them.
    Start a new thread if you think this important. See how many flock to you wisdom.
     
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  16. vurbal

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    @happyuser: I wasn't rude to you and I don't see any reason you need to be rude to me. I haven't tried deinterlacing because I'm not trying to change the source that way and doing it is counter to the purpose of DVD-RB. I personally don't encode to that low a bitrate because it's not suited to some of the TVs that I watch movies on. Furthermore, when you say
    you're missing my point, which is that there are other options besides using the Deinterlace option from DVD-RB's menu. I don't particularly care what filters you want to add. You're the one that needs to be happy with the results. I've covered adding filters in the advanced guide and that's what I was trying to do, not tell other people what filters they'll like. I happen to use my own methods as examples, but I assume you'd have used yours if you had written it. Of course I wouldn't have come here and said you didn't know what you were talking about because it's not the way I do things. If you're upset because I wrote a guide without exploring your way of doing things, write your own guide. Just don't expect everyone else to be converted to your way of thinking simply because you like it better. If you think there are errors in my guides feel free to point them out, but since I didn't write a guide titled "How To Backup Your DVDs The Way Happyuser Likes Them" I fail to see what your preferences have to do with anything.

    When you say you're using Decomb to determine what to deinterlace you lose me entirely. If you want to deinterlace you don't need Decomb to find out. If you're talking about IVTC that's a matter of taste, and DVD-RB isn't designed to reverse a hard telecine. If you wanted to IVTC it you'd be better off using Telecide and Decimate instead of SmoothDeinterlace and then add pulldown flags to the M2V files. If you want to deinterlace the interlaced segments, you still don't need Decomb, because you could load the project in RB-Opt, check to see if ConvertToYUY2 was set to interlaced=true and deinterlace if it was. In any case, any of this can be modified with RB-Opt, which is explained in the advanced guide.

    If you'd like to start another thread to explore this and help other people try it out, I think that sounds great. I always find it interesting to see what works for other people and I'm always willing to try new things. 64026402 is right though. It's not appropriate for this thread because it involves procedures that are beyond DVD-RB's basic operation.
     
    vurbal, Aug 2, 2004
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    Shut the Hell up and get off your arse and write your own guide if your not happy with vurbal's.

    As for DVDRebuilder being bad, if you think that, write your own code.

    Stop pissing off my boy, vurbal.
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  18. happyuser

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    Damon1
    Your childish language usage only offends other people. Why don't you go anD shut your hell mouth up first before telling other to do so.

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    vurbal and Others, especially Newbies to Encoding DVD with CCE !

    First of all, the guides of vurbal is/are the great guides. That they are great.

    Anyway, when it comes to encoding video, especially NTSC ( or PAL, but allow me to focus on NTSC for the sake of discussion ), we have to do it CORRECTLY.

    First, DVD-Rebuilder is a great tools, I with all my heart and mind appraise this tool as a very helpful tools.
    However, there are still short-falls with this tools. But hey, it is free, why then what reason do I have to complain?
    But when talking about Science and Technology, we have to push it as far as it can go: we have to appreciate criticism to the new technology to see if this new technology deserves our full trusts.
    But hey, it is free, why then what reason do I have to complain?

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    On a particular DVD, the Extras ( trailers and behind the scenes and others ) are always a MIX of Film ( progressive content that we can use Forced Film ), and of Pure NTSC Interlaced ( one that we can choose to encode as Interlaced: alternate=true or we can Deinterlace CORRECTLY with SmoothDeinterlacer and encode as progressive to have more quality gain ), and of contents of progressive+interlace that need to be IVTC.
    DVD-Rebuilder handles well Film contents and contents that need to be IVTCed. ( I would recommend using SmartDeiterlacer for AviSynth ( with deinterlacing setting of low ) with contents what need to be IVTCed ).
    With the Pure Interlaced contents, we can just encode them as Interlaced ( alternate = true ); or we can deinterlace them CORRECTLY with ( but with not FieldDeinterlacer ), allow me to say, SmoothDeinterlacer, and encode them as progressive.
    You all know how to use SmoothDeinterlacer with DVD-Rebuilder, though it takes a bit of extra work: if you have already tried it, like I have, you will know what I mean.
    The interlaced=true statement in DVD-Rebuilder seems to produce video of that, color seems to be dishandled. So interlaced=true should somehow be avoided.
    And so what happens if we choose to encode those contents of pure interlaced as interlaced ( alternate = true ) ? Well nothing will happen, except for a wild fear of the above interlaced=true statement way affect the quality in color preservation aspect. But do not worry, interlaced=true statement will not affect the output quality: trust me, I had encode a lot of pure NTSC interlaced as interlaced with interlaced=true statement and the result are great.
    So what other things we can choose to do with those EXTRAS ( trailers, behind the scene, ects )? We can deinterlacer them with SmoothDeinterlacer and encode them as progressive at lower bitrate ( let me say: 1500 kbps: I even lower them to 1145 at half-size ).

    Trust me, if you encode a Film DVD ( Movie DVDs: ones that the main Movie is progressive Film ( that we can use forced film on ), you will encounter the option of encoding some EXTRAS ( trailers, behind the scene ) as interlaced or Deinterlacing them.
    Back with the more-than-usual worry about the interlaced=true statement. If this worry is true, then we have to do something about it: and this something is: use SmoothDeinterlacer to deinterlace these pure interlaced segments ( AVSs ) and then encode them as progressive.

    If you think the above I just wrote is for the advanced users, think again. You have to do it RIGHT ( CORRECTLY ).
     
    happyuser, Aug 3, 2004
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    You are right.
    Even the advanced users would have no use for this information. Start a new thread. Learn how to type.
     
    64026402, Aug 3, 2004
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  20. vurbal

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    @happyuser: I see why you're deinterlacing now, but from my experience (and yes I've tested this - just not with DVD-RB) the place where the picture can get changed slightly isn't in the encode. It's the ConvertToYUY2. I've never verified this on a TV, but I've sometimes (but not always) seemed to see a difference between using ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) and separating the fields to do a progressive colorspace conversion. The problem is that I've found sources where it looks fine and some where it seems to look slightly off (on my PC anyway - I haven't encoded like that). However, deinterlacing brings with it an entirely different set of picture defects that IMO are worse than any small problems caused by the interlaced colorspace conversion. Even a good deinterlacer like SmoothDeinterlacer isn't completely free from ghosting and blurred edges if the source is truly interlaced. If it's a hard telecine (like most trailers on DVDs seem to be) it could be IVTCed, but if it can't be detected as film that means that the fields don't exactly match each other so this is also an imperfect solution that requires some serious playing with something like Telecide, which requires more time and a steeper learning curve than most people are interested in, and I wouldn't say any of this is suitable for most newbies. If you start a new thread, we can discuss this and make specific comparisons that could be useful for anyone who wants to find out for themselves, but regardless of what you feel the right way to do things is, my advice to new DVD-RB users continues to be to use the program with its defaults and let it make the decisions. Overriding what the program does to make your own choices has no appeal to most people, and therefore would be more likely to convince them not to use DVD-RB than to tweak it. That doesn't mean it doesn't belong in an advanced guide (maybe even one of its own to avoid confusion), but it's not something I'd put in the basic guide.
     
    vurbal, Aug 3, 2004
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