New boxes cumin out two time!!! Is it ture ??

yes there is a box that works from broadband its a card shareing box work s throught ip

 

Mickah, I take your point but as I say all avenues are discussed, if not on this site, then on another site. Now I don't understand the reason why cs is in any way illegal. The discussion over cs is 'theoretically' to supply multi-room viewing. I do not see this as an illegal activity. Should others wish to use cs to share outside of this scenario then they do so at their own peril. However I have always considered this forum to hold value only if people are supplied with knowledge to play with different scenarios.

As I say our friends at Sky, UPC and similar are only too well aware of what is coming on-stream. Its really not that hard for them to find out. So the way I see this working is that forum users are kept updated with new ideas, the tv providers cut them off, and alternatives are then supplied. It is a game of cat and mouse and the fun is staying in the lead

 

Had a look at the SV6. Yep its got a network connection to allow multi-room sharing. However its very expensive 160 sterling. It doesn't have a hard disk and only has USB rather than eSata external storage. It doesn't support HD. Overall if you want a very basic box for a lot of money then go for it. You'll get a DM500 for 60 sterling that is an open source upgradeable Linux box that does the same job and also has a huge base of developers designing new plugins each day.

 

no flies on you nod nod wink wink

 

mick is just saying look around the various sites, get the info thats available put 2 and 2 together your self,use your own thinking. its them and us but no need to make it easy for them,if they have counter measures coming they wont broadcast it on here will they.

 

on the money pat.

The box is not 160, its 149 with 10 quid off if ya pre-order, its a USB box which you can connect a HD or mem stick to. But the main point of this box is your not relying on dodgy sharers for it to work.

CS is illegal as you are getting chans or services which you are not paying for them, plain and simple, but unlike a standard cable box such as a euro, you are actually getting the service from some one who re-distibuting thier service, a lot of legal pitfalls in it to

 

Thanks Mick and Pat, at least 2 voices of reason.

 

Guys, I think the CS issue is being confused. CS can be used to delivered multi-room viewing. For this you must have a legal subscription which you share with your other boxes in your house. There is nothing illegal whatsoever about this and it saves on paying extra monthly subs for the extra boxes. You are not watching channels you have not subscribed to.

Sharing outside of your home is a different matter. Cs servers are owned by cowboys and should be kept away from.

 

mmm think yer wrong there, CS in any form is illegal, even if you CS with yerself, you sharing a sub which you are only paying once for, ya may as well be sharing that sub with 6 of yer mates, same thing. your sending your sub to a box which is not being paid for, yes it is illegal.

This box, the SV6 is not for multiroom, its a lan cable box with a lot of possibiltys and a lot more user friendly for folk who aint up to speed on linux boxs. Thats up to the punter to make the call on that

In the two posts on this thread, you have posted incorrect info on both counts about the SV6 and legal status of CS, not nitpicking, but if yer going to put up a valid discussion on the topic, lets get our facts right

 

Mickah, I think the argument is being made over sharing or streaming. Take a typical article _http://davisfreeberg.com/2006/11/03/motorola-unveils-multi-room-viewing/
This is not illegal even though the user has only one subscription. Anyway the SV6 will stream across a network in the exact same fashion. I think we will need a lawyer in European law to settle this one

 

fintannl i think you need to be looking at Irish Law

Any type of card sharing in Ireland is illegal as on any UPC bill you will see that the only box that is to be connected to their cable feed is there box only.

TAKEN FROM THE Copyright and Related Rights Act, 2000 IRISH LAW

www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/act/pub/0028/print.html

372.—(1) A person who is authorised by the rightsowner—


(a) to make charges for the reception of programmes included in a broadcast or cable programme service, or


(b) to send encrypted transmissions of any other description,


has the same rights and remedies against a person who—


(i) (I) makes,


(II) sells, rents or lends, or offers or exposes for sale, rental or loan,


(III) imports into the State, or


(IV) has in his or her possession, custody or control,


any apparatus or protection-defeating device, knowing or having reason to believe that the apparatus or device is to be used to enable or assist persons to receive those programmes or transmissions when those persons are not so entitled, or


(ii) provides information, or offers or performs any service, intended to enable or assist persons to receive those programmes or transmissions when those persons are not so entitled,


as a rightsowner has in respect of an infringement of any of his or her rights under this Act.


(2) Without prejudice to any other remedy, in cases of innocent infringement of the rights conferred by subsection (1), the appropriate court may award damages as it considers appropriate in the circumstances, and such damages shall not exceed a reasonable payment in respect of the act complained of.


(3) Sections 145 and 264 shall apply with any necessary modifications in relation to the disposal of anything delivered up or seized by virtue of subsection (1).

 

a job for judge judy

 

pity she is in the USA

and no need for a judge you can read what it says in law so no contest

 

Good post. I've surfed around on this about and its a bit muddy. Even the law you quote is open to interpretation. In essence you have paid for your subscription and it is questionable that you should not be allowed use it in multiple rooms. Also the UPC stance on not allowing you to use a different box to connect to their network is the UPC stance. So if they find you use a different box then they disconnect you as these are their rules. However this is not the a legal thing it is a local provider rule.

 

go to the actual site i just took a small bit out of it there is plenty more on that for you to read

 

Just a word on the topic of CS.
I know it's illegal but I cam across a site that offers a free cs server.
Have a look(remove spaces):
www. free card sharing servers. net
Note once again this is illegal.
Maybe someone who is using a cs server could test some of these out.

Sorry if I shouldn't have posted this.
I will remove if required!

 

Shanno06, what you have pointed out has been said multiple times on this forum. Card sharers are gangsters. If you want to go down this line you will have your IP listed on an illegal service and you will pay the cost. Posting of card server websites on this forum, if not banned, should be banned.

E45, I did what you asked and I'll just copy a part of the T&C stuff associated with UPC

15. Unauthorised Use of Television Service
15.1 It is illegal to copy, distribute copies, show in public or rebroadcast any part of the
television programmes or channels provided to you as part of the Television Service
without the consent of the copyright owner. Therefore you may only use the Television
Service for private use and it must not be accessible by the general public or in a
communal viewing area. There are some limited exceptions to these restrictions that
allow, for example, the Television Service to be viewed in schools or copying for the
purpose of time shifting for private or domestic use. It is your responsibility to ensure you
are legally entitled to rely on such exceptions or obtain the consent of the copyright
owner before you do so.

I'm not sure if this is what you are getting at but maybe it is. The reality is that you pay a subscription and you are allowed to use it for personal use. I've already posted a practical multimedia solution that does not require DVBs in every room and is a bog-standard solution.

Two critical issues. One what is legal and two what is associated with your contract. The legal issue is plain and the contract issue is plain.

Now at this point I will totally apologize for getting stroppy about what has been posted on this site and my reaction was over the top. To this end I apologize to you, to Mickah and to many of the guys who have in the past and continue to be helpful to all members in this forum. Indeed ye guys have been there for a long time now helping all the members out.

But I would like you to accept a couple of things. Obviously this whole game is a bit of a passion and loads of fun. The legal issue is simple. Yous cannot use a CS network outside your private residence. This is illegal and I apologise for my post 'the state of the game' (I will not answer this post in any meaningful way in future) as this was outside forum parameters. However no matter what way you look at it there is no basis for not being able to share within your own residence. In this case it is just the greed of the TV providers. As I pointed out it is not a legal issue if you do not use a UPC box within your premises. If they are unhappy they can disconnect you but that is as far as it goes.

 

e45 and fintannl great debate if you guys arent into politics i think its about time you made a career change, great stuff. On another note great show of respect fintannl, but think you might not want to spread that upsee info any further as they'l try change there t&c's, point well made though. Also if you dont mind me askin you said in last post "I've already posted a practical multimedia solution that does not require DVBs in every room and is a bog-standard solution.", i havent noticed this post could you refer me to it, thank you?

 

Sitja, link was http://davisfreeberg.com/2006/11/03/motorola-unveils-multi-room-viewing/

Let me say that this is just to prove that multi-room viewing is by no means illegal and does not require paying further subsrription costs.

However I do in no way back up that this is the best or cheapest solution to do just that. There I have my own opinions.

 

Well most certainly agreed put it this way you have a house with one sub and buy 3 boxes to use in various rooms and share card limits all those boxes add up, i read in an earlier post that you said cs days maybe numbereed like with that sky italia thing. doesnt that mean this method of in house sharing is also about to run its course.