Request for all regular users of our forums

hi

like said in the previous answers to this thread, you dont have to write an answer you can just leave the thread and go to another, so if you are answering why not give some help which is a positive approach and then say maybe a search would help to...

i mean if you are going to answer to slang the guys or dolls off, that at the end of the day is just negative, and also like mentioned here, the status of an individual can be a power rush...

its like i have afterdawn addict but there are newbies that know 50 times what i do, its all relative...

stay opened minded people its how we learn...

chill........

 

Good Lord ddp - you've actually been to night school and learnt how to spell chicken. I'm impressed.
(I can spell chicken in 5 languages!)

 

damn .....hold on........i'll re PM him.....

 

This line of thought is truley redundant.. Everybody know that when a "nOOb" finds the site, most likely they'll got direct to chat, and post their question, regardless,..But a small note, people that can't read will ask more questions than those who can. So, Let's try on making the search and help options a little more obvious.
Deffinitely agree with Rotary..

Chill

 

i know that i am somewhat new to this forum..and have learned a lot in the last few months....and have to say that yes,that at first the forums were very friendly and then all of a sudden they started to get hostile b/c a newbie would ask a question(even though he should and i am probably guilty of this...have searched google)...but still this site is designed to help not hinder a person...that is why i was attracted to this site...it was one that was helpful...and i can honestly say i love this site...it is a learning tool...so if you are pissed at a newbie b/c he asked a question that should have been searched...then let someone else answer it for him don't be a d*ck and give him a smart*ss remark...what's the point?...just let this site be a helpful tool for EVERYONE...wasn't it designed for that?

 

Thankyou, I have been a regular reader of your forums, and have never had the courage to actualy enter one, Thankyou for such an informative site.

 

hi

here here

welcome walanie

 

i concur. welcome walanie

 

Just my 2 cents. (This mostly coming from my experience in Usenet, but it applies anywhere there are noobs asking questions). Sorry in advance if I start to ramble.

The problem is there is a difference between people who want help and people who want everything done for them. Further more, even when help is the goal, there is a right way and wrong way to go about trying to get it.

Do you go to the airport and bug pilots to teach you to fly? Do you really need to be specificly told to go to flight school? Do you go to a resturant and bug the chef's to teach you how to cook? School teaches you how to figure out what 2+2 is, they don't just give you the answers.

But when it comes to the internet, too many people seem to develop an acute case of common sense deficiency and start asking questions for the wrong reasons in the wrong places. An over whelming number of noobs are NOT interested in learning or understand anything. Most of them are impatient leeches who just want to have their hands held and given the answers so they don't have to expend any effort at all. Especialy when it comes to things like video game hacking. Someone over heard a guy talking about how he downloaded a game, and suddenly all this guy is thinking "free games". "Hey, I don't want to know anything, just tell me what to do so I can steal the games I want".

Sure,we all used to be noobs at one point or another. I know I was. Take Xbox modding. I didn't know anythng about it. Just heard a blurb on CNN Headline news about it being hacked, and off I went. I never asked questions or posted anywhere. I simply kept my mouth shut, and did what anyone who wants to learn about something does, RESEARCH. Google searching, lurking in various messages bases, etc. Just taking in all the information I could find. After a few days, I had learned everything I needed to know, and without bothering another living soul for anything.

Now, I'm not some super genius. Just an average joe. So, why is it I could accomplish this, but so many others can't? Could it be maybe because I was actually trying to LEARN about this, and I actually made an EFFORT. I know it's crazy, but making an effort makes a big difference. Imagine that. I'm very sorry many want instant gratification with no work, but that's NOT how learning works.

You can usualy tell by the end of the first sentience if this is the kind of noob you're dealing with. And quite frankly, who cares if they get offended and don't come back because they are not the kind of user you really want to have. They don't want to know anything, and will never have anything of value to contribute except asking the same questions again and again every time they loose their printout or saved html file of "how-2-pirate" instructions.

Not to mention the totaly off topic questions. All the time you see people in usenet asking how to download.... Please. You can figure out how to install and configure a usenet reader, how to find the groups you want, how to post, but you can't figure out how to download, or where to go to find that out? Give me a break. Here's a hint, see that help button, CLICK IT. See where it says DOWNLOADING, CLICK IT. <rolls eyes as hard as possible>. I'd hate to think of what other common sense things have to be specificly told to these people on a daily basis. (WB cartoon: <smack><smack><smack> "breath stupid, you forgot to breath again".)

It's not about being arrogant, or playing elitest either. In my case, I'm just holding other people the same standards that I hold myself. If I can do it, so can you and if you can't, there is probably a deeper reason why and helping you will do you no good and be a waste of my time.

Common sence, patience and an actual desire to want to know and learn. Anything you want to know is out there. The catch is you actually have to make an effort. That's how learning works. There are 1000's of forums out there, dozens of search engines. If you really want to learn and are willing to make an effort to do so, you will find much of what you want to know, thats a fact. If you're not finding it, it's because you are violating some basic fundmentials of knowledge. You either want an answer NOW and are too impatient to wait, or don't actually want to know/learn, but you need to know to accomplish what you want to do.

The really funny part about it is watching these noobs spend days getting all pissy and argueing with people, demanding to just be told what they want to know. If they had spend that same amount of time making an efforts and researching themselves instead of carrying on like idiots demanding to be given the answers they want, they would have found the information themselves.

No one is helping anyone by "helping" those people. They arn't learning anything, are being encoruaged to continue not learning anything, and wasting the time of the people offering said help.

So my rules of helping people are simple: If you really want to learn and are willing to make an effort to do so, I'll be more then willing to offer you all the help I can. If you just want to be told an answer so you don't have to do anything, you can go f--k yourself. Not really unresonable in my opinion. Sadly, most noobs fall into that latter catagory.

Unfortunatly, some people get a bit militant about it, and the occasional innocent noob gets nailed. This is not justified behaviour either, I'll conceed that point. It's not that hard to tell the difference between someone who does sincearly want/deserve help and the rest of them. But over all on a whole, I don't think this happens that much and most of what is dished out is probably deserved.

 

We are starting to see new members roll over from the Decrypter site. As they join they show as Newbies. However many of them have been doing this longer than some of the senior members and probably have a better insite to burning than some AD members. I try NEVER to talk down to any newbie or give them the short brush off answers that newbies sometime receive. I sure wouldn't want to offend a long time member from the Decrypter site just because of the Newbie listing under their name. The way I look at it is although I am an upper member on here, the person I'm answering may need a bunch of help starting from scratch or just a few pointers in the right direction. You don't really know so I start with the basic answers even if the question has been answered many times. If the basic stuff has already been tried then we move on to the other things to try. If they haven't used the search it could be they missed it. I then give an answer and suggest a possible search for more help. Its all in how you word the answer.

Jerry

 

nice one jerry: its all in the delivery.So i concur with what you said

 

hi

@ art lover a very interesting read indeed.

freedom of speech is a very different rule here, of course with an emphisis on forum rules, going on something mentioned in the last 2 posts that i feel very very strongly about, which i find i can not talk about.

all i can say is the power of status can / does change a situation, and thank god that we have very good moderators here that all come from very different walks of life.

thx...

 

Hello people , Exeem is not letting me search , whenever I search , nothing ! comes up , anyone know what is the problem or isit because of the site it has bugs , any mate's out there , can try to help me solve the problem