The Official Graphics Card and PC gaming Thread

Wow, that could cause issues in MY gigantor case LOL!

 

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16183/1/

more crap from ati

 

Thats appalling! Ati should be ashamed. But since they now have a commanding business, im sure they're happier than a fly in...poop LOL!

 

With the GTX285 withdrawn and stock levels so poor that only 10% of demand is filled with sales, ATI can charge whatever the hell they like for the 5850, quite frankly. It's bad, but it's simply ATI finally having the balls to do what nvidia have done for years. The yields of 40nm silicon are falling again, so the 5850 and 5870 are becoming increasingly rare, and will not be in ready stock for several months.
The 5970 will likely be even rarer. Come january even if it's £500 I'm buying one, because I may be the only one I know to even find one.

Remember, to make 4 working HD4670s, ATI generally need to produce only 4 of them, maybe occasionally 5. To make 4 working HD5770s, ATI need to produce 5 or 6. To make 4 working HD5850s or HD5870s, ATI need to produce 10. To make 4 working GTX300s, nvidia need to produce 200...

 

I doubt Nvidia is down for the count. They are a much larger and more powerful company. Remember when the HD2900XT came out? Yeah it was terrible and the yields were equally small. Nvidia is just having a similar issue ATM. I can't say I like the prices but that's business. Sure is nice to see ATi out on top though.

 

I echo you guys - as Jeff says, nice to see Ati out on top, and as Sam says, nice to see them have the balls to charge more for their cards. I know Shaff is always pissed off about prices going up, lol, but remember that we need them to be profitable or IT'S CURTAINS! (That's my business school training talking, haha.)

Haha. To my shock I have found myself doing the same thing from time to time - I do a quick proof-read before I post so I usually catch it - and I copy and paste into Word and save in case I lose my browser, which does some helpful spell-checking for me - like "encyclopedic" describing Sam's graphics card knowledge, lol.

I think I've read that the most "popular" grammatical mistake in English is "it's" used for "its." But "your" versus "you're" has to be a close second - everybody does it.

I guess it would make sense, sam, that stamina would come into play on melee - but that would certainly curb my new style - melee has now officially become my best friend. In those horde places like the second set of spools where there is a back door - I mic out "I'll take the back door - you guys handle the front" and 20 zombies can't get through the "melee force field" (as one guy typed a couple days ago. The exact quote was "Oh no, my melee force field failed." rofl)

I usually like to keep things light and chat as it's all going down:

Holy cr*pola - I actually got out one more time on crash course, last night, a few hours after Sam, on Steam chat, told me about the new L4D2 demo that's out.

Hey, that reminds me, don't you guys just love that part when you pass those pipes at the second to last hero closet before the drop-down in the first chapter, and Francis, or sometimes Zoey, says "I just LOVE Steam!"

I think that is just too clever of those Valve guys to throw funny inside jokes in there like that boosting their company.

Thanks very much, Sam, for the nice words of congratulations to Miles and the rest of Valve for Left 4 Dead 2 - I will pass it along.

In terms of last night's escape - let's see - that's at least 30 attempts and two escapes for me with a total of 6 team escapes - the only thing that has worked is top of bus. On last night's escape I was being beaten by the first burning tank who died on top of me. As I healed on the bus I mic'd out "I can't friggin believe I'm still alive!" LOL And as I rounded the side of the van next to the other lift after we killed tank number 2 but lost our second team-mate, I colted a hunter who leaped to safety in front of the spawn room, and then pounced me as I tried to jump in the damn truck but missed the first attempt - no one can match me for clumsiness when I am in a panic - fortunately the other guy who was already inside instantly killed it. I actually didn't know if I had made it or not, but when I looked for my name "IN MEMORY OF" there was no "berkeley" hahahaha.

(No more talk about that game or I'll break my Wednesday-only rule yet again - it might be too late - I just added all that L4D conversation stuff - it's a no-self-discipline problem - blame it on the former hallucinogenics )

Wow, nice link, Keith. (no more jonny boy from me ) "Semi-Accurate" drilled Nvidia out a new a**hole on that Fermi fake! (gloat gloat gloat)

Yeah like when you actually forgot your own name and invented a brand new one! Hahahaha. (Sorry, Keith - I couldn't resist.)

Doom? Haha! What a thing to say

But seriously, Jeff, I've seen you talk about the Unreal engine which is used in - what - Call of Duty? - so I know you know a helluva lot more about game engines than I do. All I know is that the original Half Life used the Quake engine. Why is there ever a need to program a whole new game engine once you have a good one? Can't they just take Source and keep refining it, like you say, to 2015?

What gives you that idea?

Rich

 

Jeff: Nobody wants to believe it, not even me (I'm serious, I know what it means to the industry) but all the facts are coming true, the 275 and 285 are slowly being culled, and the 300 is nowhere to be seen, not even as a demo.
Rich: I'd respond to your post, but it's late, I'm off to bed

 

Borderlands is officially awesome - quite a bit more fun than Fallout 3, IMO...

The cell shaded look hasn't got old in games that use it yet, but there is one annoying thing with the graphics - no AA; you can't even force it

Overall though, it's a 9/10 from me so far, first game in a while I've really got into (aside from Uncharted 2), and if none of you guys have played it yet I might have to give some more detailed impressions

 

Reformatted to a clean install of Win7 and installed 9.10 - it's confirmed. Catalyst 9.10 will prevent your PC from playing games - all 3D applications will close to desktop error-free whenever the game applies a load switch (i.e. an autosave, or change map). There is no fix other than to reformat.
DO NOT INSTALL CATALYST 9.10
(For the record, this is the same bug as Catalyst 9.1, only the 9.1 bug was not locked to the OS. 9.10 is, so even if you uninstall it and replace it with another driver, the bug is still affixed to windows).

Time for the second reformat of the evening...

 

Wow! That is almost confusing. 9.10 or 9.1.

 

umm win7 64bit 9.10 here, perfectly fine with games.

 

Catalyst 9.10 for Win7 is not the same as Catalyst 9.10 for Vista. Same installer, different operation. Vista drivers are prone to bugs Win7 ones do not have, and vice versa.

 

did you have vista when the bug occured?

 

The 9.1 bug I did, obviously, but not the 9.10. 9.10 is still a different driver, it just suffers from the same bug, whether or not the cause is different - I suspect it is, as the Vista bug was fixable simply by upgrading driver. Unfortunately the 2+ hours to install Windows 7 (not including installing any software) just doesn't allow me enough time at a LAN to fix it, so I'm just going to have to live with it.

 

Yep Win 7 needs some fiddling with before it's nice. It works pretty well on a new install though so even the dogged down mass mfg PCs will run better. Would certainly do the job on a gaming PC at a LAN. The Cat 9.10s may just have a problem with quad CF though. I haven't had a single issue. They perform well and are relatively bug free.

 

Crossfire can be entirely disabled and have no effect. I think the issue is with internal crossfire (i.e. X2s) not bridged. That said, looking around on the net, quite a few people are moaning of the CTD issue with 9.10s.

 

2 hours to install win7? why so long?

 

turns out it was a faulty S-ATA cable causing the long install times. It's still almost an hour installing it when all is said and done, split into:

'Windows is loading files' (black screen) - 3 minutes
Colourful desktop with white cursor, nothing else - 5-6 minutes
'Setup is starting...' - 8-9 minutes
'Copying files' ticked, no further system activity - 7-8 minutes
'Extracting files' - 15-17 minutes
The rest of setup, username and so on - 5-6 minutes

 

Wow. My install times were never that long. My best time was the Velociraptor I believe. I believe it was under a half hour. We will see soon enough. Even my Single core 1.4Ghz athlon system with an 80Gb HDD(2Mb Cache), 1Gb ram, was 40 minutes. So that was pretty good considering. Every install has been quicker than XP. Although I hate how it just seems to sit there for a time, like its doing nothing. They should at least have implemented an hour glass to look at LOL!

 

Lol I'm still running Windows 7 RC.


I dost believe it be high time for a new computer.