The Official Graphics Card and PC gaming Thread

Think they'll do the same with display port. I think there have been 3 revisions of Hdmi already...
Well, I guess if the shoe fits, it don't mean squat! LOL!

 

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/244430

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/ati-radeon-hd-6870-review/9

That's a considerable spanking to nvidia being dealt here.
The HD6870 comes in £15 cheaper than the new price-drop for the GTX470, uses a whopping 94W less power under load AC side, idles 32W lower and 11ºC, and runs a whopping 28ºC cooler under load. It's even slightly faster, falling less than 5% behind the HD5870.

There is no longer any reason to buy a GTX460 or GTX470, at all.
Now all we need do is wait for the HD6900 series to turn up and obsoletise the GTX480.
AMD's futures are looking pretty bright right now

 

For those of you in the US:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125347
Standard price in the US is $240 for all brands of 6870s. They're in stock and ready to go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125348
HD6850s do not appear to be reference, which is a shame, but the standard price is set at $180. Also in stock right now.

The HD6850 is basically 0.95x an HD5850 as we said, which means it sits slightly above the GTX460 1GB, the rival AMD actually had in mind for the 6870.
The HD6870 is basically 0.95x an HD5870, also what we said, which means it bends the GTX460 1GB over a table, and is hot competition for the GTX470, beating it in neutrally biased games. At these prices, and this power level, 40nm truly has a new lease of life.

 

oh my nvidia, oh my:

http://hardocp.com/news/2010/10/20/benchmark_wars

so 6870 = GTX470, both practially the same price, i would take the 6870, hell of a lot power consumption, and nearly HALF the die size. bravo AMD, bravo.

i guess the 4D shader really help, when a 1120 shader varient is just better than a 1440 5850 part.

 

Yeah well that's hardly surprising, the same is somewhat true for the original HAWX. Once a mainstay of ATI for DX10.1, it's now a geforce owners club due to the way Fermi cards run that process.
Are you really surprised? It's good that AMD are actually standing up against that crap now though.

As it stands now:

HD6870: Performance (vs 4870) 170%. TDP: 160W. Price: £175
GTX470: Performance (vs 4870) 160%. TDP: 230W. Price: £190
HD6850: Performance (vs 4870) 150%. TDP: 140W. Price: £135
GTX460: Performance (vs 4870) 140%. TDP: 170W. Price: £155
GTX460-768: Performance (vs 4870) 125%. TDP: 155W. Price: £120

 

That's not entirely accurate LOL! There's one reason left. Fanboys! Not suggesting I am one. It'd be rather dumb indeed to buy an inferior product, when there's an obvious better one

 

Fanboyism should never be a reason for anything

 

seems 5870s have come to under £200 second hand. mighty tempting.

really GTX 470 10% less than the 6870, from what i saw it was within 2-3% of each other, depending on the game.

 

10% of a 4870. 5-6% in relative terms, don't forget.

 

Pretty much don't need powerstrip anymore, for the HTPC with Overscan/underscan(whichever the case may be). Nvidia has within the control panel, a means to adjust the resolution manually. VERY cool(Not sure when they implemented this). The picture on his HDTV is about 99% of the norm now. As opposed to the 85 - 90% that it was. And the temperature of the northbridge is behaving much better than I expected. Even with the stereo receiver on top of the htpc, it seems to be averaging 42 - 44C idle. And the 60mm fan isn't as loud as I expected it to be. He's happy, I'm happy. Provided there are no more crashes

 

sam anything on civ5 for benches?

 

Yeah there's a few out, surprised it's a game you're interested in

Been at fragsoc over the weekend, so not kept up with newer benches. Will add some shortly.

 

im more important than fragsoc!

haha yeah be either. if i play an RTS its AOE or CnC, so not turn based, but it seems intresting so i thought why not.

 

Fallout: New Vegas
Max details, 8xAA

1024x768 M10: Radeon X800 series/X1800 series/HD2900 series/3650/4550/5450, Geforce 6800 Ultra/7800GT/8600GT/9500GT/GT220/430
1024x768 M20: Radeon X1950 Pro/HD2900 series/3690/4650/5570, Geforce 8800GS/9600 series/GT220/430
1024x768 M30: Radeon HD2900XT/3850/4670/5570, Geforce 8800GS/9600GSO/GT240/GTS450
1024x768 M40: Radeon HD2900XT/3850/4670/5570, Geforce 8800GT/9800GT/GT240/GTS450
1024x768 M50: Radeon HD3870/4830/5670, Geforce, 8800GTS 512/9800GTX/GTS250/450
1024x768 M60: Radeon HD3870X2/4830/5750, Geforce 8800 Ultra/9800GTX+/GTS250/450

1280x1024 M10: Radeon X800 Pro/X1800 series/HD2900 series/3650/4550/5450, Geforce 7800GT/8600GT/9500GT/GT220/430
1280x1024 M20: Radeon X1950XT-X/HD2900 Pro/3850/4670/5570, Geforce 8800GS/9600GSO/GT240/430
1280x1024 M30: Radeon HD2900 Pro/3850/4670/5570, Geforce 8800GT/9600GT/GT240/GTS450
1280x1024 M40: Radeon HD2900XT/3870/4830/5670, Geforce 8800GT/9800GT/GTS250/450
1280x1024 M50: Radeon HD3870X2/4830/5750, Geforce 8800 Ultra/9800GTX/GTS250/450
1280x1024 M60: Radeon HD3870X2/4770/5750, Geforce 9800GX2/GTX260/GTS450

1680x1050 M10: Radeon X1800 series/HD2900 series/3650/4650/5570, Geforce 7800GTX/8600GTS/9500GT/GT220/430
1680x1050 M20: Radeon HD2900 Pro/3850/4670/5570, Geforce 8800GS/9600GSO/GT240/GTS450
1680x1050 M30: Radeon HD2900 Pro/3870/4670/5570, Geforce 8800GT/9800GT/GT240/GTS450
1680x1050 M40: Radeon HD3870X2/4830/5670, Geforce 8800GTX/9800GTX/GTS250/450
1680x1050 M50: Radeon HD3870X2/4770/5750, Geforce 9800GX2/GTX260/GTS450
1680x1050 M60: Radeon HD3870X2/4860/5770, Geforce 9800GX2/GTX260-216/460

1920x1080 M10: Radeon X1800XT/HD2900 series/3690/4650/5570, Geforce 7900GTX/8800GS/9600 series/GT220/430
1920x1080 M20: Radeon HD2900 series/3850/4670/5570, Geforce 8800GT/9600GT/GT240/GTS450
1920x1080 M30: Radeon HD3870/4830/5570, Geforce 8800GT/9800GT/GTS250/450
1920x1080 M40: Radeon HD3870X2/4770/5750, Geforce 9800GX2/GTX260/GTS450
1920x1080 M50: Radeon HD3870X2/4860/5770, Geforce 9800GX2/GTX260-216/460
1920x1080 M60: Radeon HD4870/5830/6850, Geforce GTX275/460

2560x1600 M10: Radeon HD2900 series/3850/4670/5570, Geforce 8800GS/9600GSO/GT240/GTS450
2560x1600 M20: Radeon HD3870X2/4830/5750, Geforce 8800GTX/9800GTX/GTS250/450
2560x1600 M30: Radeon HD3870X2/4870/5830/6850, Geforce 9800GX2/GTX280/460
2560x1600 M40: Radeon HD4850X2/5830/6850, Geforce GTX295/470
2560x1600 M50: Radeon HD4870X2/5850/6870, Geforce GTX295/480
2560x1600 M60: Radeon HD4870X2/5870/6950, 2x Geforce GTX280/460

[Read, adjusted, extrapolated, speculated from GameGPU]

 

LOL practically nothing to run it!

now get back to me!

 

Civilization V


DriverHeaven 1920x1080 resolution high detail

GT220: M16
GT430: M20
HD5570: M26


HD6850: M44
GTX460 1GB: M56
GTX480: M65
HD6870: M73

HD5870 with 8xAA applied, 1920x1080: M61
HD5870 with 4xAA applied, 5760x1080: M36
(tested card clocked at 875/4900)


Difficult to extrapolate to other GPUs due to lack of HD5 series testing, and enormous gap between 6850 and 6870


HardOCP Test 1 - min fps not available as 0 in all tests [turn changer]
HD6870: 2560x1600 2xADMS AA A31
HD5850: 2560x1600 no AA A31
GTX460 1GB: 1920x1200 4xTRMS AA A34
HD6850: 1920x1200 2xADMS AA A32

Uniform testing:
2560x1600 4xAA
HD6870: M28
HD5850: M26
GTX460 1GB: M25
HD6850: M23

HardOCP Test 2 - 2560x1600 4xAA Multi-GPU
2x GTX460 1GB: M18 (M3 once)A36
2x GTX480: M20A45
2x HD5870: M44A101
When tested, SLI encounters a desync point [something that used to occur in several games with crossfire] shortly after the start of the game, this is the cause for the low results, presumably corrected in the next driver release.


Techspot - min fps not available as techspot still have no idea you can measure minimum frame rate
Cards listed are not a requirement but a list of tested cards that pass the figure stated.
Unlike most other sites, tests are not conducted with AF.
Results are very dubious due to complete lack of variance between resolutions in fps recorded.
GTX460 tested is 1GB version.

1440x900 High 4xAA OR 1680x1050 High 4xAA - unsure which as the same graph has been used for both.
A10: 9800GT, GTX260/275/285, HD5670/4850
A20: HD5770, HD4890
A30: HD5830/5850/5870, GTS450
A40: GTX460/470/480

1920x1200 High 4xAA
A10: 9800GT, GTX260/275/285, HD4850, HD5670
A20: HD4890, HD5770/5830, GTS450
A30: HD5850/5870
A40: GTX460/470/480

1920x1200 High 4xAA No Tesselation
A10: GT240, 9800GT
A20: HD5670, GTX260/275/285
A30: HD4850, HD5770/5830/5850, GTS450
A40: HD5870, GTX460/470
A50: GTX480

1920x1200 Medium no AA
A10: GT240
A20: 9800GT, GTX260/275, HD5670
A30: GTX285, HD4850, GTS450
A40: HD5770/5830/5850/5870, HD4890
A50: GTX460/470/480

2560x1600 High 4xAA
A3: GT240
A5: 9800GT, HD5670
A10: GTX260/275/285
A15: HD4850, HD5770, GTS450
A20: HD4890, HD5830/5850/5870
A30: GTX460/470
A40: GTX480


CPU used for testing was not able to achieve M60. [3.7GHz Core i7]

M25: 2.0Ghz
M30: 2.2Ghz
M35: 2.6Ghz
M40: 3.2Ghz
M45: 3.6Ghz
M50: 3.8Ghz
M55: 4.2Ghz+ (not achieved)

 

nvidia bias there!

is this DX11?

 

Yes

 

tesselation then? is there a none DX11 test?

 

There is a test with tesselation disabled if you look, however I don't think there is a test with DX11 off. However, you will notice that non-DX11 cards are in the techspot review, so you can get some idea of how they will compare without DX11 support (note: not favourably!)

Something else which recent benches draw to light is AMD's 3D support, or rather, lack of.
I'm no great fan of 3D for games, but AMD's effort is very, very poor.
It can only be used in DirectX9, with one GPU, and even in DX9 titles, stability is very low, games will crash continually, and the image quality of the 3D effect is very weak compared to 3D Vision. Open platform is ethically the right decision, but with the open platform software being mind-numbingly bad, 3D needs to either (sadly) become totally proprietary to both companies with a separate driver for each, or be canned entirely.