The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition

Sam your a wast, especially your placebo nonsense. Same old argument and I disagree based on decades of experience.

Oh that's right placebo again... LOL Experience and self testing doesn't count unless it's yours.

I could tell you what you can do with your thrown and its BS numbers which I could find counters too, but I won't.... Have you fallacy, bask in it....

There is no need to further this discussion as you feel your right and I feel I'm right. It really didn't need to even go here from where we were.

 

It's well established that you don't accept the truth about these CPUs. I have no objective to change that.

Anyone can have decades of experience in the PC industry, but if they stop chasing the latest hardware for as much as 18 months, their experience in the industry is of zero merit unless they start from the beginning and catch up with where hardware is now.
I know countless people who have 30+ years of experience in the computer industry and can provide fascinating detail on the systems of the early 1980s and so on, as well as perform any of the tasks that may be required to maintain current hardware. However, not one of the knows the exact standing of modern CPUs from memory, because they don't follow the market. Since I do, while I may only have 9 years or so experience in actually working on PCs and upgrading them, this is ample given the attention I pay to the market.

What is just infuriating to most, not just people like me, is when people who can't be bothered (or, more often than not simply refuse) to research what the truth of the matter is, then post nonsense as fact trying to start rumours that what is in actual fact truth and has been banded around for months/years, is actually false.

I could quite happily band around the notion that IDE has always been superior to SATA. After all, no denying the cables are better quality, so the interface must be better right? I mean sure, it's only 133MB/s link speed versus the 375MB/s of SATA2 or 750MB/s of SATA 3, but those are just numbers, who cares?
I've used one PC in my lifetime that had an IDE drive in it, but it was so much faster than the SATA PC that I used - IDE is better. That's real world proof from my wealth of experience, not these BS numbers that every website out there spams.

There is nil difference between that argument and yours.

(also, since I can see it being picked up on a mile off, I have used far more than one PC with an IDE drive in it - that phrase was used for sake of argument).

 

You are so full of yourself, have fun with that and I hope your are frustrated as you would buy BS stats then find out for yourself.

This will be the last I say so knock yourself out, you always do. In America we use thrown's in a way you wouldn't like! LOL

 

Nah, no knocking out needed. I just have to make enough noise to counteract a false post on each page so that anyone reading it calls it into question, is all.
The only real aim here is to prevent people being led down the wrong path by reading false info

 

Guys, both of you do not need the last word. I Need it! LOL!

 

Just copied a 19GB Blu-Ray movie from a USB3 to a USB3, the average speed was about 98MPS, the high was 118MPS, the low 96MPS.

Yes, I used to own a '93 Typhoon, when I first joined here

 

Out of curiosity, what boxes are you using for the USB3 transfer? About to buy first USB3 box next week, will be interested to see how it compares.

 

Sam,

It's funny, the FX chips sell well in the US, yet don't seem to sell well in the UK? There are 6 available models of the Zambezi (not Bulldozer), and 4 of those sell very well in the US. there have been problems with the FX-4170 4.2GHz Quad core with heat issues and the FX-6200 3.8GHz Quad core, that generally doesn't overclock very well. As you know, I have a lot of faith in Newegg's reviews, because most times the number of reviews very closely match actual number of sales. Sorting those reviews between fact and fiction requires a lot of practice to weed out purchasers who don't know what they are doing, even though they claim to be highly experienced. Newegg also lists the actual number of verified purchases. Here are the Newegg sales numbers for the Zambezi, in sales order.

Zambezi
#1 FX-4100 3.6GHz Quad core 486
#2 FX-8120 3.1GHz Eight core 481
#3 FX-8150 3.6GHz Eight Core 337
#4 FX-6100 3.3GHz Quad core 314
#5 FX-4170 4.2GHz Quad core 44
#6 FX-6200 3.8GHz Quad core 32
That equals 1694 total sales

Sandy Bridge
#1 i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad core 2016
#2 i7-2600K 3.4GHz Quad core 1358
#3 i5-2500 3.3GHz Quad core 232
#4 i5-2400 3.1GHz Quad core 204
#5 i7-2600 3.4GHz Quad core 200
#6 i7-2700K 3.5GHz Quad core 146
#7 i5-2300 2.8GHz Quad core 50
#8 i5-2550K 3.4GHz Quad core 34
#9 i5-2405S 2.5GHz Quad core 15
#10 i5-2320 3.0GHz Quad core 13
#11 i5-2400S 2.5GHz Quad core 11
#12 i5-2380P 3.1GHz Quad core 6
#13 i5-2310 2.9GHz Quad core 4
#14 i7-2600S 2.8GHz Quad core 3
#15 i5-2450P 3.2GHz Quad core 2
total 4294

As you can see, after #6, the sandy Bridge pretty much falls off the table in terms of sales numbers. I didn't bother with the Dual cores at all, but there are 13 of them, with 9 showing sales of 50, or less. Cheap Dual cores, most with graphics inferior to the Llano. That's 17 CPUs that total 242 sales, or an average of about 14.2 sales per chip.

The bottom line is that AMD with Zambezi sold right at 40% of what the Sandy bridge Quads sold, with far less overhead, and Sandy Bridge has been out much longer than Zambezi, so there has to be some impact felt, especially since the US is the largest market. I've run my figures by friends that work at Newegg, and while they won't give me the actual numbers, they tell me that I am right in the ballpark. Intel needs to drop a number of the 17 chips that aren't selling, and make some concessions to the dealers that have them in stock, and they need to do it right away because every day they don't just costs Intel more money. The stockholder are not going to like it, but with the biggest sellers, with the i5-2500K and the i7-2600K price dropped to almost no profit, they are going to have to do something, given the failure of Ivy Bridge. Someone at Intel made a bad decision, and the damage is done, and can't be easily undone. There will be a fire sale to lower inventory. There has to be otherwise they won't sell!

Best Regards,
Russ

 

Both are a Mygica USB 3.0 Super Speed SATA Hard Drive Docking Station. Purchased from Meritline for $28.99 and free shipping, however they are probably cheaper now.

 

its highly dependent on hardware and decent software coding, i can easily get 1/2 the performance sometimes more on my 2 GTX460's.

However to sit there and say that your only going to get 1/4 performance for all SLI Crossfire Configurations is just false, you may only get 1/4 of the performance on your setup this is true, but that could be do too a plethora of issues, Program Compatibility /coding and hardware capability are just the common two out of many.

 

I don't really see it a problem that Intel aren't selling that many of those CPUs in the wild, they undoubtedly won't have made as many. I'd imagine the majority of that sort of inventory is going into the likes of stock dell and HP systems rather than to end-users at newegg. You are right, nobody I know has bought anything other than the i3 2100, i5 2500K or i7 2600K.

 

A fairly full, fragmented 5400rpm drive over USB3 is pulling just under 85MB/s on a transfer. Not bad

 

Okay so I have an interesting one... reformatted a laptop for my dad's friend about a year and a half ago. Now, he's all over me telling me the copy of Windows isn't legitimate and is giving him the license key BS.

Well, this is a perfectly working corporate key of Windows 7 x64 Professional for small businesses. I have paid for the key in full and pay for as many copies as I need for my purposes. This includes reformatting customers' machines without making any profit from the OS at all. This technically falls under MS's acceptable use policy, ie using the key privately for any machine I choose, so long as I am not charging for it. Microsoft tech support has told me the same and that as long as it is used privately, and not being sold or distributed to a separate business, everything is well within my rights. Each key has a maximum of 10 installs and the key this machine is using is still valid.

So my dilemma comes in, how the hell did Windows Genuine Advantage get flagged to begin with? I am using the same distro of Windows on my main machine with another legit Microsoft corporate key and have never had an issue. I have also used these keys for customer machines previously, and this is the only machine ever to have this issue. So will it be as simple as reformatting the machine with a new key? Or are all machines with that key now borked because of it?

My main concern comes from the fact that until more recent times, I was using less-than-legitimate copies of Windows for my purposes, and all installs done with the less-than-legit distro are all still WGA passed ie genuine. One of the ones I've actually paid for, is now flagged for being illegitimate.

I also called my associate, to see if anything happened to my license deal or if any of the keys were leaked, thus causing MS to flag any distro with that corporate key. He says no, that everything on the business side is kosher. So I'm stuck wondering what it could be that caused WGA to be flagged. Both the company(Renaissance Learning) and Microsoft are well aware of what my keys are being used for. Private maintenance of any machine to come into my possession. These keys are cleared for my usage, but it's no good for me if they aren't going to be reliable. What does paying for keys actually do for me, if using a cracked distro with no need for any key at all works better and passes WGA more cleanly than a legit copy??

 

All you need to do is call MS on the flagged machine and they will take care of it. You can also request how many machines are being used on a key which might help you figure out what is going on. There are too many things that can cause WGA to flag your machine and it isn't always legitimate, sometimes MS screws up and they know that but caution in their favor.

I've had to deal with this problem also but I have to say MS has always been good about straightening out the problem unless it is through someone like Dell, HP, Sony, and so on then you have to deal with the re-seller and that is never good. But that isn't your situation so you should have no problem just get the machine from the person and re-activate it through MS again.

You are always better off buying your OS over hacking them.

 

You get the pleasure of having to call MS and straighten problems that should not have occurred out

I have a similar issue with my laptop where it occasionally complains that the copy of windows is not "genuine"; typically works itself out in under hour though.

To be honest the only difference I have ever noticed between the legal and illegal copies of win7 is that with the hacked version I do not need to spend an hour on the phone when ever MS decides my license is no longer valid.

 

I can't help agreeing with both sides. This is my dad's friend, so it's not a big deal, but other people have machines using that key, and I hope it doesn't come back to bite me. Those keys have no time limit either, they are simply corporate copies of the stock standard OS, with multiple keys.

 

Haha - that's too funny.

Jeff tries to go legit and gets busted anyway!!!

The guy who wrote how I could get rid of XP telling me that it would boot up in 5 seconds, but "I must be the victim of software piracy" had the same problem with windows genuine advantage.

This was about 5 years ago when I turned off automatic updating on all my machines - I have my cracked xp (actually a beta copy when they were first testing xp) on at least 10 or 20 machines all over the place, but I also have the full OEM version of SP1, SP2, and also SP3, so I can start with a fresh install and not need to go online.

The long and the short of it is that it worked great, until one day 5 years ago my computer wouldn't boot up and did that 5,4,3,2,1 countdown. That unnerved me - but google quickly fixed the problem.

The guy with the solution had a totally legit copy of XP, on several machines, but MS screwed up - AND THE MS TECH SUPPORT COULDN'T FIX IT! (Completely true, Jeff, so don't be too sure they'll always be able to fix it for you.) So the guy got so mad, he went into the registry and found the 4 places that windows genuine advantage hides, and saved all the guys like me.

I have a uh hum ... questionable copy of Windows 7 on the gaming machine. But I don't run auto updates, and I don't browse on that machine, so unless the hackers can get to me while I'm on a multiplayer, I think I'm reasonably safe from new threats. (My thinking is that auto updates is mainly to solve new virus and hacking holes that emerge.)

Rich

 

Letting auto-update go is not the issue. There is a single update which checks for Windows Authentication circumvention. Simply disable and hide said update. It's right near the bottom of the list Windows should still be able to use all the other updates without complaint. Many of the updates are rather essential I'd imagine, security and all :S

BTW I disable this update on legit authenticated machines as well. It's unnecessary. Believe me though, I have paid for Windows many many times over. Personally Windows 7 for myself twice, both Ultimate and Pro and 3 copies of XP, both Home and Pro. I am not shy about using a less-than-legit copy. Especially since any major hardware changes make a basic reformat inevitable. I can't be tacking on a $200 OS every time I upgrade or re-build my PC($150 for the multi-install corporate keys). I've even had the OS trigger by just removing my motherboard for re-TIMing and plugging everything back in. It senses that the hardware has changed or shifted in some way and prompts a license renewal as it counts as a "new PC".

AFAIK Ultimate is largely useless fluff for most so I prefer Pro on my own machines. Actually saves a bit of HDD space :S

 

I use legit 7 pro but often find myself using removeWAT to stop WGA shernanigans.
It's a fairly solid tool for this job.

 

Sam, give a look at Wargame European Escalation. If you liked Supreme Commander you might like this. Very impressed with the depth of the gameplay myself. Only mentioned because I'm currently playing. Fairly demanding as well, though not too bad.