after spending 12yrs solid on 12hour shifts, repetition has kinda become part of my blood, but for me (around here anyway) i guess the debates on bad media keep the repetition at bay. <blatant attempt to get myself on topic> if Finnish law stops us discussing backups etc, we can probably still talk about bad media and Nero logs 'til the cows come home
creaky: You're right about the fact that there are still tons of topics that could be discussed even if the legislation would restrict our forums' openness about topics. But the problem is that tons of new users come to us on quest for finding rippers from our site and portion of them also get hooked on other topics and become new contributing members. Now, losing that stream of new faces would harm our site in the long run, even though it obviously wouldn't kill it -- we're simply too big and cover too many topics to die if one part of that would be taken away
dRD - i hear you, i was just being positive as the whole thing gets me angry. Next we'll have police spot checks in the street, where one of us who's carrying a cd player with an original cd in the drive will be sent on his way, and i might be carrying my mp3 player and i might be carted away. makes me sick
@Creaky........ this is the BIG BROTHER syndrome! who says life is fair? It's the little guy who suffers while the big guys get richer and richer and tells the little guy what he can and can't do! Life sucks then you die! hahahahaha
Yes to whole thing is really insane ,if you think about it with all the other things on this planet that are going bad and the goverment is worried about someone backing up a damn cd or dvd it just crazy
I would hate to see the same thing happen to aD/dRD that happened to the DVDxCopy creator when he took his fight to Washington. Might be more cost efficient to move the servers to where SlySoft is located and work them by remote and also move a couple admins over there as well for a semi - permanent rotating vacation. Maybe even work out a deal with SlySoft to help along.
this site isnt going away at the most they may have to put up a disclaimer notice for legal reason(so they dont get in trouble).if this site does get in trouble im sure the admin will just change the location anyway and still keep running it.
Yes there are other topics to talk about beside DVD backup, but as dRD pointed out there are so many people who come to this site for this reason and stay on. Everybody posting on this thread probably came here because of this. I know I did. I belong over at Burning Bits and don't contribute because it is to hard not to be able to mention this subject. Moving the server may not be the answer the company would still be based and incorporated or whatever in Finland, so would still be subject to Finnish law. I can see how you would make a law that makes DVD copying illegal, but talking about it is another matter. What about people who have clubs or something, does the govt then come and raid there home because they are talking about, it sounds very secret police.
By moving the server I was figuratively speaking, meaning transferring the company as well, (aD is a website hosted by servers, controlled by servers and located in a building without a storefront.) My point was that everyone else didn't need to actually move there since it could be managed by remote to some degree, allowing others to handle the IT work over there or just placing some current Admin’s/IT’s on a mini-vacation part of the time to handle the server needs. For example, if my websites are based on a Florida company yet my hosting is in New York, all changes are made here in Florida, even though the servers are in New York. aD’s servers are a different story I’m sure and would need to be a hand’s on type of situation most of the time, but it also could be done either by “farming out to an IT company elsewhere, allowing another company such as SlySoft to handle it as well as their own in some sort of partnership, or sending some of the Admins on a rotating basis to handle it. This was my point. Let’s face it, if the government of Finland wanted these changes, it sure wasn’t because of their Movie Making Industry. You could almost bet that most of their politicians now have many new “Toy’s/$$$” in their attic courtesy of the US Movie industry. Money is what does make the World of Politics go round, especially for a smaller country. They must play ball or suffer the consequences of what big business can bestow upon them. I hope this clears up what I was trying to say.
It clears it up, thanks Ted. I agree if this could be done it would be great. I do not want to see this site just sink because of bureaucratic garbage. When you completely ban a subject from being talked about then that is really frightening. When I buy a product and bring it in to my home, I have always believe it is now my private property and I can do with it what I want. If I want to back it up because I do not want to scratch up the original then that is my business. I have done this for LP's (remember them) Cassetes, VCR Tapes, CD's and DVD's. When you say it is illegal for me to do so you are saying then that it is never my property, so then why should I buy the product. It is the same way with TV and Radio why should I not be able to record what is on public airways, now the industry wants to make that illegal too, and put a lock on programs so it cannot be done.
@ arniebear How true!!! I feel that if we took a poll for example of everyone in the USA, the VAST majority would agree with your comments, I know I do. But then the sad truth is the laws were changed here in the US, not based on what we the people wanted, but for the Big Businesses that truly control our country. I joking say this many times when speaking of all the money kickbacks, payoffs or special favors & contracts here in the US on a government level to make things happen, it’s no longer the United States of America, it’s the United Corporations of America. I truly hope that this is not the case in Finland, but I do have my suspicions since this new law just took place, people are people and greed is greed no matter where one lives. Only time will tell.
we're no better off here in the UK either..they've only just realised that homeowners should be allowed to defend their property (our home is our castle or whatever the phrase is) against burglars/intruders, we can now use reasonable force. Anyway, i 'mod' over at Burning Bits, it is incredibly frustrating not being able to discuss dvd ripping etc, but i get the odd Nero log to compensate
@ScubaBud You are so right, it is the United Corporations of America. We keep electing officials who are pro big business, so in the end it is the people who get screwed. Profits are the name of the game, how can you have record profits and still raise your price and govt does not question this. Apple just reported profits, but was downgraded by the Stock Exchange because the profits weren't high enough, what is not high enough, where does greed end. The companies want more profits, yet put out the same old product that is no longer quality because they make it cheaper and charge more. Nothing lasts anymore, and is not expected to no on big business wants to be know for quality just profits.
It would be a great loss as I like many others found this site after xcopy platinum went belly-up. Although Drd has stated they could not legally ask for donations I would contribute to the cause as I've learned so much here. A suggestion might be as opposed to posting about copyright circumventing tools is to simply allow the site to post links to reputable products. Another is to not allow discussions on specific movies but simply keep the how to backup a personal dvd you own. Not sure so I will sit back and hope for the best.
AfterDawn 4 life in the last few months i've been part of aD i've learned so much Let all just keep our fingers crossed that nothin happens good luck aD Phoenix21
